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Author Topic: November 2009: Win7 - Microsoft's Defiant Child  (Read 85349 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 08:38:21 PM »

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My latest discovery was how (finally) to get the ColorVision Spyder to work with Windows 7 so you get a working monitor calibration and profile:
I assume the same convolutions are required for any other monitor calibration software  Huh
I checked X-Rite and the IMatch 3 software  v3.62 is "compliant" with W7 but the ColorMunki software has "issues" and a new version is due this month.
I would have thought such software would need to be modified to do all that you have done without special user input. I can foresee people calibrating their monitors and not getting the result implemented.
Terry.

I can't speak for the other brands, although now that I understand what was causing the problem on my setup, I suspect they will all have trouble unless they were specifically (re)designed for W7.  I also suspect that if another brand doesn't work, my 18 step program might also fix the problem on those other brands.  The three major stumbling blocks were:

(1) If Windows Calibration was turned on and isn't turned off prior to calibration/profiling, it could interfere with the calibration/profiling.

(2) Startup "gamma loaders" no longer work because W7 is designed to reload the video LUT after tasks like returning from sleep mode, logoff/logon, etc.  To avoid conflicts with the Windows Calibration which effectively does the same thing, gamma loaders should be turned off.  Putting that check in "Windows Display Calibration" does the same thing and it knows when the LUT needs to be reloaded.

(3) If you run your monitor profiling tool without using "Run as administrator", the profile will not be saved in the proper "windows\system32\spool\drivers\color" folder where it belongs and where the system can see it.  Instead, it'll be stored in an obscure "virtualstore" folder off the "users" folder.  You have to do the "run as administrator" even if you are logged in as an administrator.  This is one of many aspects of W7 that has not improved over Vista... and you'd expect it to.

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 08:53:06 PM »

Wow, thanks again for all the effort Mike. I can understand you having to keep on top of all the newest upgrades, but can you suggest any reasons the average user might want to go through all this trouble?

Right now I can't think of any good reason for someone to upgrade to W7 other than if you, like me, need to support some sort of customer base that might be using W7.  I've discovered only a few minor changes to W7 that I like slightly better than Vista but 90% of them are fluff that just make for interesting conversation.  Stuff like Aero Snap where you can "throw" an open window against the sides/top of the monitor to activate maximize and screen sizing, and "color hot track" where your task bar icons take on a glow that is the same color as the program icon when you roll the mouse over them are kinda cool looking but to me, totally useless as far as productivity.

I keep hoping that as I use W7 more, I'll find features that I just can't live without or that make it more productive than Vista.  It is said that W7 is more efficient and faster than Vista but if so, it's not something that a user would find obvious.  I'll let you know if I change my mind and find a hidden treasure chest somewhere.  I'd sure love that since it might justify some of the hell I've been through over the last two weeks in getting a truly usable W7 setup that works with all my software and hardware.  Wink

Final thought: keep in mind that I'm likely one of the worst case scenarios for an upgrade when it comes to W7 since I have to keep a lot of hardware and software running properly to support tens of thousands of users.  That means that I have a lot of stuff on my computer, so I'll obviously have a greater chance of running into multiple problems.  I've heard from a few other users who didn't have as much trouble, but so far, all have run into some sort of frustrating issue(s) where they needed help.

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2009, 01:04:33 PM »

.... If you don't run the Spyder2Express as administrator, the profile will not go to the
proper directory.  You may also want to go through steps (1) through (6) above to verify that the default profile is
Spyder2Express.icm.

Yep... seems pretty straighforward, eh?   Huh

Hate to say I told you so.  BTW-what to watch out for (been there):  certain updates--and I haven't tracked it to which ones--will reset your ICM back to the WIN stuff.  I do not know why.

Maybe it's time for you to switch to Mac(!?!?!) and re-write QI.

Just kidding!! I used to be an Apple SE in a former life (short lived).  You ought to see the "inits" running in the background there eating resources.  Makes me laugh at the Mac/PC ads where Mac is trouble free.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2009, 01:49:36 PM »

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You seem to have had real problems.  I did a dual boot with W7 Professional 64 bit (pre-ordered on the special offers made in the UK when it looked as if we were going to get E versions) retaining Vista on my "main" PC which was well screwed in Vista (e.g. I couldn't install anything new on USB and MS forums only suggestion was to reinstall Vista from scratch), but still has some bits I want to access.  This PC was a home brew with an OEM Vista licence from the start and has always been troublesome.

After the hassles of moving to Vista I made sure that 64 bit drivers were available for all my hardware - Vista had everything except for my old Epson 3170 scanner, but Epson has that available.  I have not had any real hassles - everything seemed to work straight out of the box (so far, anyway!).  Experience suggests that things may well go downhill from now on!!

I do have a Spyder2Express and that worked since I have been indoctrinated in Vista to run almost everything as administrator if you mant it to work at all well (on this PC anyway!)

I haven't tried anything too clever yet, but basic printing appears ok (W7 drivers for my HP8750 printer seem to work ok - no drivers for the card slots, but I've never used those).

I even made Live Mail work straight off without really thinking about it (although I have to admit that I use another PC, still running Vista, for email), but I do think that Thunderbird is better.

Trying to shrink the existing Vista partition is another matter - I have finally managed that with a lot of effort and tinkering using Paragon Partition Magic 10 (MS own tools seem to preclude moving the files Vista has put at the end of the partition which are the limiting factor and protected by the Volume Shadow Service)

I guess I have just been lucky, so far!!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2009, 03:17:02 PM »

Xrite/GMBh has updated the software for Win 7, 32 and 64-bit.  You do not need "32 & 64-Bit Drivers for Win2000, XP, and Vista."   Just download the new iMatch update: http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=1014&Action=support&SoftwareID=724 which includes both drivers.  It is later than the Aug. 09 release which did not have the drivers embedded.  This is v.3.6.2(Win 7)

This is for the iOne equipment.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2009, 03:28:56 PM »

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Xrite/GMBh has updated the software for Win 7, 32 and 64-bit.
This must be very recent or I missed it when I checked the other day for IMatch 3 updates. I use an Eye One 2 Display, but hasten to add I'm not using W7.
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I would have thought such software would need to be modified to do all that you have done without special user input. I can foresee people calibrating their monitors and not getting the result implemented.
I wonder if IMatch3 (W7) takes care of Mike's 18 step process for you? Let us know!
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2009, 06:13:59 PM »

I wonder if IMatch3 (W7) takes care of Mike's 18 step process for you? Let us know!

As you can see in my reply#7, I basically went through that two months ago.  I don't recall it being quite as involved, but it was not straight forward.  M$ started with their new color mgmt. system in Vista, so I had learned sme of it there.

BTW- The X-rite release date on the WIN 7 was just four days ago, Nov. 3, I believe.
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2009, 08:25:37 AM »

Mike

Is it OK for me to pass on your comments to our local club members?

I would give you full credit and links to your Qimage etc.  They are brain washed to PhotoShop and nothing else so doubt they would give Qimage a seconds thought.  A lot of them do not even believe in calibrating their monitors.

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2009, 12:28:53 PM »

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They are brain washed to PhotoShop and nothing else so doubt they would give Qimage a seconds thought.

Jeff! I would love to buy you a steak dinner.!!

I have dealing with that issue everytime I did a Qimage demo for almost 10 years.

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2009, 02:07:47 PM »

Mike

Is it OK for me to pass on your comments to our local club members?

I would give you full credit and links to your Qimage etc.  They are brain washed to PhotoShop and nothing else so doubt they would give Qimage a seconds thought.  A lot of them do not even believe in calibrating their monitors.

Jeff

Sure!  Please pass the word.  I'd like to get word out that we talk about relevant issues and have some good discussions here.  We have a lot of Qimage, Profile Prism, and FlashPipe users here but it'd be nice to bring in people who just want to talk about stuff too and don't necessarily want to buy (my) software.

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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2009, 04:11:16 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2009, 08:50:22 PM »

You just saved me a lot of trouble. Thanks Mike!
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2009, 10:11:08 PM »

Well, before this starts to be a complete Windows 7 bash thread, I can report that a clean update from Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium about two weeks ago, went without any problems. Even old hardware, such as an old HP scanner worked without problems.

Of course, I had to reinstall my software, but that was done in half a day.

- Lightroom 2.5 and 3 beta
- DxO Optics Pro 5.3.5 and 6
- LightZone 3.8
- Photoshop CS3
- Qimage
- Faststone Image Viewer
- Wings Platinum 4
- Spyder Elite and Print
- Epson printer drivers for Stylus Pro 3800 and EPL-6200 Acculaser.

just to name the imaging related software.

Plus some office stuff, media players, browsers, and e-mail clients.

Although the new OS does not have a lot of new features that would warrant an update, the nearly 3 year old system (Intel Core Duo E6600, 2GB RAM, nVidia Geforce 8800 GTS 640 MB) feels significantly more responsive, faster, and stable. Whether this is due to the clean reinstall or the OS itself, I cannot say, but definitely the update was worth the price (85 ) and effort. So, I see no point of not encouraging people to do the update.

So far it was the cleanest Windows update I had.

Of course, it is very good that Mike reported about *his* problems, but for people with average configurations, I do not see inevitable hassles.

Kind regards

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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2009, 10:40:57 PM »

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Was it 32 or 64 bit?
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2009, 11:46:55 PM »

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I can report that a clean update from Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium about two weeks ago
Was it 32 or 64 bit?
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32-bit. I forgot to mention it, sorry. With 64-bit the situation might be not as clear.

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