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Author Topic: Win 7 and Qimage - Question to Mike  (Read 19290 times)
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« on: January 17, 2010, 09:10:09 PM »

Mike, I have been struggling trying to reach the same print quality I had prior to upgrading to windows 7.
I am using exactly the same equipment (monitor, printer, ink, paper, etc.), I am using the same software (Qimage Studio Edition version 108), I am using a processed image that was printed before, but I can not obtain a printed image similar to what I had printed before.
I have done some testing, turning on and off ICC profiles with no success.
I realize we have three components interacting on this: Windows Color Management, Qimage and the Printer Driver.
I have not found a way to turn-OFF Windows Color Management.

Can you suggest a basic setup regarding ICC Printer Profiles?
I am afraid I am double-profiling but I can not determine what to do.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Persio.

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 09:20:36 PM »

I know your question is to Mike but he did write about this problem in his November article and gave a procedure that should help you.
http://ddisoftware.com/tech/articles/november-2009-win7-microsoft%27s-defiant-child/msg3165/#msg3165
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 09:23:41 PM »

Terry,
Thank you.
I am sorry I was not inclusive in my post, but I really meant to hear from all who have dealt with this problem.
Thank you for pointing me to Mike's article, I will read it carefully.
Regards,
Persio.

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 10:51:43 PM »

Terry and All,

I went through the whole thread started with Mike's article and found no reference to the Windows Color Management issue.
I saw many QI users who have upgraded (?) to W7 x64 and I wonder if I am the only one who has not been able to configure QI and W7 properly!
I saw Mike's reference to calibrating a monitor; however I believe I am facing a much simpler issue with a standard JPG file that I can not reproduce using the same hardware (printer) and software (QI) now running under W7 x64.
I would love to hear the experience of other forum members.
Regards,
Persio.


 
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 11:03:46 PM »

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I went through the whole thread started with Mike's article and found no reference to the Windows Color Management issue.
The link I gave went directly to the 18 step procedure required. It's reply #12. It refers to use of a Spider monitor profile, maybe that is not what you required but should answer:
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I have not found a way to turn-OFF Windows Color Management.
Setting up Qimage is the same as ever for any version of Windows.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 01:59:57 AM »

Hi Persio,

Here is a method and explanation, with screen shots, etc. I think it is saying the same thing as Mike, in the thread that Terry mentioned, but perhaps it gives more detail. Not using windows 7, I cannot say if it is true, but I think it may be worth a try http://www.pusztaiphoto.com/articles/colormgmt/win7/default.aspx but I expect you still have to make the right face when praying,  Smiley

It used to be, in earlier versions of windows, that Adobe would try and use its own colour management, and you could get double monitor profiling (or was it overwriting of your chosen profile?). I've no idea if this is what is happening for you in W7.

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 11:30:43 PM »

Ray,
Thanks for pointing me to Lazlo's info; however my problem is not related to display calibration or profiling.

I believe my problem is related to "double profiling" during the actual printing of an image.
I am using a JPG image which was processed and printed several months ago.
When I print this image (using the same printer, the same paper, the same printer profile, and Qimage) in my W7 x64 system I get a noticeably darker and more contrast print.

I understand there are three components which need configuration: the printer driver, Qimage and Windows Color Management.
My preference would be to disable Windows Color Management, disable color management in the printer driver and let Qimage handle the color management function. This was my configuration in Windows XP and worked beautifully.

I do not know how to disable Windows Color Management and I have tested all possible combinations with no success.

I would like to hear the experience of other forum members using W7 on how they are configuring their system on the printing side of the workflow.

Regards,
Persio.


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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 03:05:05 AM »

Hi Persio,

Last posting for me, then. Any help here - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows7/Change-color-management-settings

specifically from there...

   1.       Open Color Management by clicking the Start button Picture of the Start button, and then clicking Control Panel. In the search box, type color management, and then click Color Management.
   2.       Click the Devices tab.
   3.      From the Device list, select the color device you want to disassociate from one or more color profiles.
   4.      Select the Use my settings for this device check box, click the color profile that you want to disassociate from the selected device, and then click Remove.
      The selected color profile (or profiles) is no longer associated with the device and won't be used by programs that use Windows Color Management to describe the color characteristics of that device.
   5.      Click Close.
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Your picture or graphics editing program might also let you choose color profiles. When you make changes to the color settings in those programs, the settings are usually only used in that program.

Assuming you have exactly the same printer settings, ink density, all nozzles firing, etc. as in the earlier prints. (or the earlier print has not faded Sad )

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 11:25:28 PM »

Ray,
Thanks for your patience.

I now understand how to disable (or enable) W7 Color Management for each component.
Thanks to all who have contributed.
Regards,
Persio.

 
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 09:14:13 AM »




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I would like to hear the experience of other forum members using W7 on how they are configuring their system on the printing side of the workflow.

I have to offer 2 cents here.
As I read the thread, Persio wants to make proper prints and everyone seems to be focused on the monitor and windows color management of it.

As I read it, you are using images which you adjusted before and which used to print well before, which are now printing too dark.
If such is the case, then we need to look at your settings and whether you use a printer profile, and what paper and printer.
Leave the monitor out of the mix, as we can swap monitors and it wont change the print, unless you are influenced by the screen and *make changes* to the image based on the screen.

I would like to know the printer, model, paper type and brand, and whether you use a profile for the printer and paper.  INK!!  Manufacturer's ink, or third party ink!?
Start here.
Sorry that I am late into this thread, but we sleep longer in the US. :-D
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Let's go!
Waiting for your reply

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