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Author Topic: Any Differance Between Pigment and Dye Ink carts?  (Read 1768 times)
russellsnr
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« on: January 26, 2017, 01:44:04 AM »

Hi, I intend to buy an extra set of refill carts for the Epson R1900 but while looking online there seems to be two kinds or at least the seller/s on some sites state for Pigment or for Dye and to me I cannot see it unless it is in the chip? So anyone tell me is it just selling hype to maybe get more money for stated Pigment or is there differance?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2017, 03:09:53 AM »

Hi Russ,
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So anyone tell me is it just selling hype to maybe get more money for stated Pigment or is there difference?
The R1900, like many Epson printers use pigment ink. It is supposed to make a more durable print. However, modern dye inks have good durability too and some prefer the overall appearance of a dye ink print. I have known of others using dye ink in an Epson printer.
If you are buying non-Epson ink, whether pigment or dye, print colours will look different so, strictly speaking, new profiles will be needed if you are using colour managed printing.
Personally, my experience with non-genuine inks for printers is not good with different colour rendering and clogging.

Last year, I did some cost analysis using data on printed area and paper area which QU can provide and found that normal price genuine ink costs were less that half of the cost of a print (~40%). So, in my view, the paper and ink are of equal importance in making a quality print.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2017, 05:46:51 AM »

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Hi, I intend to buy an extra set of refill carts for the Epson R1900 but while looking online there seems to be two kinds or at least the seller/s on some sites state for Pigment or for Dye and to me I cannot see it unless it is in the chip? So anyone tell me is it just selling hype to maybe get more money for stated Pigment or is there differance?
Thanks,
Russ

Hi Russ,
Terry asked me to please comment here, so I am not butting in... I don't think.

I get the feeling from your wording, you have been on NON OEM (original Epson inks) inksfor a while.
Not sure, but Terry had to go out and called up your previous posts on the R 1900 and troubles.
So the answer is exactly as Terry said, plus your history.... clogs, color distortion, getting outside help to try to clean heads.... etc.
This is my opinion for what it's worth.
It sounds like your R 1900 has already become somewhat less than perfect.  In printing, anything less than a printer that is in perfect printing condition and trustworthy, is not worth owning.
That printer was supposed to run on Pigment ink...there is an engineering difference in the ink with regard to heads, nozzles, and viscosity.

Our most esteemed member of the forum ran 3rd party ink in his R 1900 and printed randomly, like you, and got consistent clogs.... so bad, that printer went to the curb on trash day.
My last two printers, R 1800 and an R 2000, worked beautifully for years, but once the constant nozzle and head cleaning started, it marked the end of life for those.
I was running into situations where I would have a perfect nozzle check pattern, start the 13 x 19 print, and half way through, the sky went from blue to pink and so did the rest of the print.
One would think that while printing, ink is flowing. How can it clog?
So how does this help?
You have to decide if the Head Hospital permanently fixed the printer, or was it a temporary fix.

1) From earlier posts, you are using 3rd party inks for a while. Draw your own conclusions.
After much experience, I believe that Epson has the optimal mixture of ink and solvent in the cartridge to keep the nozzles and heads flowing longer. I ran for a long while on out dated inks... that was not wise either.  What do we really save, if the life of the printer is shortened?

2) If you use Epson paper, it deserves Epson ink.

3) Right now, I have a wonderful Canon Pro-100 with Dye ink. Cartridges are smaller capacity 13ml, that I feel like I am replacing some color every few days.... but the prints make people gasp in awe. I will stick with the Canon dye OEM ink.
Mike has the same printer too, and we both are in awe... it's not necessarily any better than an Epson or HP but the dye ink is certainly a better medium.
I had an Epson 1280 years ago, (Dye Ink), and when that wore out, and I went to pigment ink on the 1800, I almost cried.

Don't know if anything helps, but just some experiences from a guy that loves to print.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2017, 01:21:57 PM »

Hi Fred, Many thanks for the reply.
I would use Epson ink if I could afford to do so but I live in Europe on a pension and like most photography related equipment Epson ink is really out of my pocket range, Epson here costs from about $12.50 to $17.50 per cartridge.
I purchased my ink from a company called Marrutt in the UK  who I beleive also have connections with Lyson ink so assumed that was the best option outside Epsons own ready filled cartridges.
I have now purchased a canon IX6850 and again that was with cost in mind.
I'll see how it goes with then both.
Again thank you for all the help and advice on this site.
Russ
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 03:26:21 AM »


I had an Epson 1280, years ago, (Dye Ink), and when that wore out, and I went to pigment ink on the 1800, I almost cried.


Fred

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Heck! you you have a memory going back 1280 years, that is phenomenal  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 04:45:20 AM »

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I had an Epson 1280, years ago, (Dye Ink), and when that wore out, and I went to pigment ink on the 1800, I almost cried.


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Heck! you you have a memory going back 1280 years, that is phenomenal  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley[/quote]


So I left out a comma. You got me!!  Embarrassed Cry Embarrassed Lips sealed
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