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Author Topic: Improved Ilford Smooth Papers  (Read 29582 times)
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« on: June 19, 2009, 10:20:16 AM »

I had an e-mail from Ilford yesterday:
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NEW ILFORD Galerie Smooth launch
We are delighted to announce the launch of the new and improved GALERIE Smooth Pearl and Gloss sheets.
The product has a redesigned base and ink receiving layer which offers:
. Improved tonal range
. Higher sharpness
. Greater contrast
. Wider colour gamut
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 10:25:17 AM »

 Cool Did they mention having new printer profiles ready or coming soon?

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 10:57:55 AM »

Fred,
The e-mail also said
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Don't forget that FREE ICC profiles are available for you to download for all the latest inkjet printers.
When you go the  download page it also says to check you are using the correct profile and gives info' on how to recognise the new paper from the boxes.
However, I downloaded a profile for my R800 and there was only the one, which seemed to be the old one.
I'll see if I can e-mail Ilford later an get some clarification.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 11:11:56 AM »

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I'll see if I can e-mail Ilford later an get some clarification.
OK, I've done that via the Ilford web site. We'll see what they say  Huh
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 03:29:20 PM »

I had a very quick reply from Ilford  Smiley
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Thank you for your email and your interest in ILFORD products. As a result
of the successful launch of Galerie Smooth we have had a high demand for
profiles and we are working to clear the backlog. We do also need to say
that you can use the existing ICC profiles when using pigment inks (as
with your printer) and that new ICC profiles will only really be needed
for dye ink use.
Kind regards

ILFORD Imaging Switzerland GmbH
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 11:46:49 AM »

So the bottom line is: Any need for a new profile is printer specific, which, in this case, refers to the type of ink that model uses.
Thanks for the extra effort.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 11:41:12 AM »

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of the successful launch of Galerie Smooth we have had a high demand for
profiles and we are working to clear the backlog.

I just reread your post.
So there will be new profiles being made for Ilford's new paper line.
That's good news!  I just wish they would use simpler names for their profiles for my old head.!

Obviously, if the profiles were really the same, they would have no backlog to clear; just downloads; like Qimage  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 12:58:39 PM »

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We do also need to say
that you can use the existing ICC profiles when using pigment inks (as
with your printer) and that new ICC profiles will only really be needed
for dye ink use.
As I read it, new profiles for dye ink printers only; pigment inks profiles stay as they are, eg. R800/1800 so you, like me, can relax.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 01:58:21 PM »

I really like Ilford and used to use their silver-based paper in preference over Kodak, whenever possible.  Their inkjet has given me fits from time to time.  Since I RARELY print gloss, the pigment papers are what I use. 

This new Ilford announcement has me curious.  "Improved tonal range, Higher sharpness, Greater contrast, Wider colour gamut."  Okay, Epson, Kodak and all the others say that.

If the profile is the same, where is the tonal range, contrast and gamut coming from?   I remember Epson doing this a few years back--changing the names (to confuse us?) and upping the price.  New and improved. Same profiles.

So, what's the verdict?  Has anybody here tried the new paper with pigment?  I mean a new and old test of the same image?

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2009, 10:18:52 AM »

This new Ilford announcement has me curious.  "Improved tonal range, Higher sharpness, Greater contrast, Wider colour gamut."  Okay, Epson, Kodak and all the others say that.

If the profile is the same, where is the tonal range, contrast and gamut coming from? 

From the marketing boss?   Roll Eyes

However, I will try a roll on a Z3100.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2009, 11:40:04 AM »

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If the profile is the same, where is the tonal range, contrast and gamut coming from?
from my earlier post, Ilford said after I enquired with them:
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We do also need to say
that you can use the existing ICC profiles when using pigment inks (as
with your printer) and that new ICC profiles will only really be needed
for dye ink use.
So it's dye inks only that need new profiles, no change for pigment.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 11:08:54 PM »

Doesn't make sense to me.  They changed the coating enough that it affected dye inks.  How could a "change" make it absolutely the same response as before for pigment?
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 10:19:17 AM »

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Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree, we'll have to wait to try the new version but I have a stock of the original to use up first.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 03:07:11 PM »

Anyone tried the "new" Ilford Smooth papers yet?
I'm about to buy some and wondered if there's some experience out there.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2009, 02:14:06 AM »

Doesn't make sense to me.  They changed the coating enough that it affected dye inks.  How could a "change" make it absolutely the same response as before for pigment?

Seth, I've just seen the same printer/ink combo on both the old and new version of Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl (IGSPP11, new vs IGSPP9,old). The sample pair was recently sent to me by a another member of the AaI&A digital print research program.  He used a third party pigmented ink in an Epson R1800 printer and the new coating definitely increased the color gamut and minimized bronzing in the shadows. Enough so, that I offered to make a custom profile (not a service I provide normally) for this AaI&A member so that we can really get the best initial image quality out of both papers before putting them into light fade testing.  Perhaps with major OEM pigmented ink sets the initial image quality differences aren't quite as dramatic, but based on what I've seen, I'd say Ilford should reconsider telling people a different profile isn't needed for pigmented inks.

According to a technical paper I read on the new paper formulation, there is a new subbing layer to wick off the ink solvent more quickly and separate it from the colorant. Also a new nano particle dispersion technology, so all in all, it is truly a different paper yet with the same name. My only wish is that Ilford had lightened up a bit on the OBA content, but we will have to light fade test it to see how significant the OBA burnout response is.

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Mark
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