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« on: August 05, 2017, 03:36:15 PM »


Comment regarding QI-U v2018-107

A couple days ago, I downloaded (QI-U v2018-107) and did the usual install allowing it to replace the previously used Version.  I was completely surprised to view the changed screen display format.  It is difficult to get me to identify (Criticize) any part of QI-U -- but I must say the changed format (as far as I am concerned) is definitely NOT an improvement.

This reduces the display area for file Icons in a selected Folder to 2 (Medium Size, since Large evidently can NOT be selected)  instead of 3 for the Large size Icons that I use.
I did not find any type of option to basically eliminate the MIDDLE section to again allow the original space for file icons.

Can Mike (or someone) please explain the objective and benefit of the screen display change, and if there is an option to (eliminate the Middle section) and use a screen display such as in QI-U 2017-120.

I deleted the installed QI-U v2018-107 and re-installed  QI-U 2017-120 since I (as of now) see NO benefit or reason for such a change.

I will appreciate any enlightening details regarding this changed screen display.

Vernon.....
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 03:50:49 PM »

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I will appreciate any enlightening details regarding this changed screen display.
All good.
Where have you been Vern?
It's all great, Huge view for the prints, etc.
See the blue arrows to shift the screen for more or less thumbs.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 04:32:19 PM »

Thanks Fred for your response.  However, if you are referring to the Expand/Collapse Thumbnail View -- I get NO change in thumbnail view whan clicking the "Blue Arrow".  I have a folder selected having 147 Thumbs and regardless of selecting the position of the Blue arrow there are only the two rows of Thumbnails (the first 6 in total) being displayed.

Is there somewhere (perhaps in "Edit Options) that allows this to be operational

Before posting, I tried (I believe all symbols) to find a place that chenges the number of thumbnails thar would display but did not find..

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 04:35:40 PM »

Forgot to mention-- Although the Thumb size is selected to be Large, the displayed thumbs are much smaller than on my referred to previous QI-U Version.
Do you get this same effect?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 05:46:42 PM »

What monitor resolution are you running?  With anything 1920x1080 and higher, you should get plenty of adjustability.  Keep in mind that thumbnails are supposed to be just that: thumbnails.  They aren't supposed to be so large that you are using them as small previews (there are other features that allow you to do that like best shot selector and P+ for preview/add).  You would use those features for judgement calls.  After that, you should only need the thumbs to show you which image is which; and you only need small thumbnail sizes for that.

The new UI is "print-centric" in that it is focused on being able to get the layout you want as easily as possible.  If you go "large" on the thumbnail size, you've made the decision that size is more important than quantity.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 06:57:20 PM »

I use dual NEC CRT Monitors.  Main is AccuSync 120 other is MultiSync FE992.  Monitor Resolution is set at 1024x768 due primarily to have a usable font size for viewing.  My eyes are also older. 

Regarding your Thumbnail comments:  In the Edit Preferences, Thumbnail size and quality -- after changing these from large to small and reducing quality seems to NOT have any different size thumbnail display.  Also, when changed to Small Size and Medium quality (from Large size and Best quality) the Blue arrow does NOT alter the number of thumbnails displayed.

It would appear (to me) that if you choose to provide settings in Edit Preferences in QI-U, these should work properly regardless of what resolution any user selects to use for their Monitors.  During the usage of QI (Various versions for many years) the Thumbnails have never been a problem -- until this version.

Regarding "Print Centric" whatever that means, the current screen display and the included (lack of) versatility is NOT beneficial for this QI-U user.

In summary, I continue to NOT be able to alter the Thumbnail Display -- from what I previously mentioned.   
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 03:56:17 PM »

You are running QU at the absolute bare minimum resolution, so you don't have any leeway.  Your main monitor is 1600x1200 which would give you more to work with.  "Crippling" your resolution to 1024x768 is not really the best way to achieve large fonts.  I would recommend using the Windows font settings to do that so you can use the native resolution of your monitor.  That will not only help QU, but lots of other programs as well.

Also, for a low resolution monitor like that, you should be using "Skin Size" set to the smallest (100%).

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 05:06:53 PM »

Please explain why QI-U v2017-120 functioned with complete versatility regarding selecting and displaying Thumbnail size and quality and QI_U 2018-107 doe NOT.

Please refer to my next post that is referring to your first reply
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 05:09:15 PM »

----"What monitor resolution are you running? With anything 1920x1080 and higher, you should get plenty of adjustability."----
I provided details regarding this inquiry -- in a previous post.

----"Keep in mind that thumbnails are supposed to be just that: thumbnails. They aren't supposed to be so large that you are using them as small previews (there are other features that allow you to do that like best shot selector and P+ for preview/add). You would use those features for judgment calls. After that, you should only need the thumbs to show you which image is which; and you only need small thumbnail sizes for that."----
Then why have options (as far as I am aware) to select size and quality been included -- since the start of QI -- many years ago.. 
Most Computer users are fully aware of what Thumbnails are for and also that the more versatile software usually provides for selecting the desired size (usually small, medium, large) and quality -- when included in a program.  Your various issues of Qimage over a period of around 15 years provided for these choices. The first issue I have on file is 08-23-2003 Version 2.62 
You must have considered these options as being desired and needed by users of your QI software or you would have NOT included these in QI during the past many years -- including your last QI-U version 2018-107. However, these options appear to be NON functional in this last installed version.  Your comments (in above quotes) seem to suggest you have changed your opinion regarding using the "included options" for user selection of desired Thumbnail image Size (and Quality).  I seriously doubt that QI users would concur with this.  I certainly DO NOT.
 
----"The new UI is "print-centric" in that it is focused on being able to get the layout you want as easily as possible. If you go "large" on the thumbnail size, you've made the decision that size is more important than quantity."----
The options to select Thumbnail size (and quality) functioned properly in the last version I used (QI-U 2017-120) and  DO NOT function properly in (v2018-107)  Can you explain why and correct this issue.
Due to the issues I listed in my first post, (as already mentioned) I did not use the installed v2018-107.  I only attempted to review the format and options which did not function (for me) as discussed in the post from Fred.
Regarding getting the layout as early as possible --  In v2017-120 Clicking the -- Live View-- displays what appears to be the same as the Mid Screen Section of v2018-107. I fail to recognize this to be a delay as compared to (smaller Thumbnails) and losing the screen space for the usual file Thumbnails and evidently also loss of using the provided options to select Thumbnail Size and Quality.
It makes me wonder if these changes were implemented as a result of the "seemingly" continuous comments (criticism) of the QI UI.  However, QI is your software and as a result you are obviously at liberty to add, change, delete features as you desire.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 10:34:05 PM »

Please explain why QI-U v2017-120 functioned with complete versatility regarding selecting and displaying Thumbnail size and quality and QI_U 2018-107 doe NOT.

Please refer to my next post that is referring to your first reply
Vernon....

I explained that above.  The new version offers versatility not found in pre-2018 versions such as a larger live view, print sizes not covering (obscuring) other on-screen elements like thumbs or prints, and a simpler workflow.  With these improvements came new system prerequisites (as often is the case with software improvements).  Versions prior to 2018 had a minimum monitor resolution requirement of 800x600 so you had a little leeway with your chosen 1024x768 resolution.

In 2018 and beyond, the minimum requirement is 1024x768 which is what you are running (on a 1600x1200 monitor I might add).  Meaning that you can run it at 1024x768 but don't expect the level of customization that could be afforded if you ran your monitor at current resolution standards.  Let's face it, 1920x1080 is quickly becoming the minimum standard these days.  I no longer support Windows 95 or 98 either: they can't support some of our newer features. 

So let me pose my question to you one more time.  Why are you penalizing a 1600x1200 monitor by running it at 1024x768 just to get larger fonts?  You have reduced your resolution by a factor of 2.4x and while that might make some older programs display larger buttons and dialogs, they'll look blurry and you won't be able to view photos with proper sharpness and clarity.

Do it right and set your monitor resolution to the intended 1600x1200 and increase your font size in Windows.  You'll find that all software will be sharper and software with modern (controllable) UI's will have more room for customizations.  What you are doing is akin to replacing the breaker box in your house with an old fuse box so you can stick a penny in it to "fix" your electrical problems.  Smiley

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2017, 06:53:04 PM »

Today, I decided to (again) test to see if I could manage to use a higher Monitor Resolution:

In order to not disturb my current setup such as specific placement of the various Screen Icons since the positions seem to always change when selecting/evaluating different Monitor Resolutions.  So, I chose to Restore my Primary (Boot) Drive Macrium Backup (created yesterday) to a completely different hard Drive and use this drive for testing and experimenting.

Unfortunately, I was not able to use the suggested Resolution (1600x1200) or any other that was higher than my normal setting of (1024 x 768) all of which created visual size issues that are not acceptable for me for my variable mix of installed applications.  Your comments indicate the Monitor display quality is probably inferior when using 1024x768.  That is not true according to my evaluation since image quality , including text; is very good.

When testing QI-U 2018-107, (using 1600x1200 resolution) -- the only time the number of displayed file thumbnails changed was after changing File Thumbnail Size to Small which displayed 3 horizontally instead of the 2  I had experienced before.  However, clicking the small blue arrow to expand the number of displayed file thumbnails continues to not function as explained (illustrated) by Fred.

In summary, even if the various "declared benefits" in QI-U 2018-107 functioned properly, the "Visibility Issues" caused when changing from using 1024x768 for the many other installed applications (Programs) is not acceptable for me.  Surely there must be some beneficial improvements (under the hood) for such changes since the visible changes are not beneficial (or an improvement) for me.  Hopefully, the changes will increase the users of QI-U especially if that was the motivation for the changes.

As a result, I see no option (for me) other than to use QI-U v2017-120.  Also, to NOT install any later versions.  This of course will limit (or curtail) my future support and recommendations of QI-U.   

My Regards,
Vernon....









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Today, I decided to (again) test to see if I could manage to use a higher Monitor Resolution:

In order to not disturb my current setup such as specific placement of the various Screen Icons since the positions seem to always change whan selecting/evaluating different Monitor Resolutions.  So, I chose to Restore my Primary (Boot) Drive Macrium Backup (created yesterday) to a completely different hard Drive and use this drive for testing and experimenting.

Unfortunately, I was not able to use the suggested Resolution (1600x1200) or any other that was higher than my normal setting of (1024 x 768) all of which created visual size issues that are not acceptable for me for my variable mix of installed applications.  Your comments indicate the Monitor display quality is probably inferior when using 1024x768.  That is not true according to my evaluation since image quality , including text; is very good.

When testing QI-U 2018-107, (using 1600x1200 resolution) -- the only time the number of displayed file thumbnails changed was after changing File Thumbnail Size to Small which displayed 3 horizontally instaed of the 2  I had experienced before.  However, clicking the small blue arrow to expand the number of displayed file thumbnails continues to not function as explained (illustrated) by Fred.

In summary, even if the various "declared benefits" in QI-U 2018-107 functioned properly, the "Visability Issues" caused when changing from using 1024x768 for the many other installed applications (Programs) is not acceptable for me.  Surely there must be some beneficial improvements (under the hood) for such changes since the visible changes are not beneficial (or an improvement) for me.

As a result, I see no option (for me) other than to use QI-U v2017-120.  Also, to NOT install any later versions.  This of course will limit (or curtail) my future support and recommendations of QI-U.           

My Regards,
Vernon....
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2017, 08:25:58 PM »

Vern,
Not to belabor the issue, but you didn't mention one critical item in the set up.
Set you screen resolution to Mike's suggested size, and then go into EDIT PREFERENCES, and click on UI SIZE.
See my screen snap.
Try 125% and have a look, and more if you need it.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 10:00:46 PM »

Hello Fred,
I see I goofed by leaving the part following the =========== which was the part I opened in MS Word in order to spell check the text that was typed in WordPad which does not have a Spell Checker.

I had no idea that it was needed to go to Edit Preferences and do as you noted.  My opinion was that after selecting a different Monitor Resolution and starting the computer again then when loading QI-U 2018-107 -- that Qimage would recognize the setting.

I am assuming that if I did do (as you asked) that the blue arrow selection would allow displaying the additional Thumbnails as per your original post that demonstrated them being displayed.

Actually, my main issue and reason I need to continue using 1024x768 is as mentioned in my last post which is:
In summary, even if the various "declared benefits" in QI-U 2018-107 functioned properly, the "Visibility Issues" caused when changing from using 1024x768 for the many other installed applications (Programs) is not acceptable for me.

Fred, again -- I want you to know that I appreciate your help on the occasions that I have asked.

My Regards,
Vernon.... 
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 03:32:16 AM »

Fred, I had a delay and just got back to where I could check the setting you mentioned.  It was set to 125 -- so evidently that was the default since I did not check during my testing with Mike's suggested Resolution.
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