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« on: November 09, 2013, 12:23:59 AM »

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v2014.123    11/08/13

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v2014.123 includes the following:

  • Raw smart color: Revolutionary smart color routine automatically evaluates each raw photo to produce outstanding color (turn on/off in refine raw dialog).
  • Editor smart color: Check all color channels on the smart color dialog (on the Sel Clr tab in the image editor) to utilize new smart color routine on JPEG's, TIFF's, etc.
  • Raw refine: New "Raw refine" button on each raw thumbnail makes it easier to refine raw exposures with one click.
  • 3D photo fix: Fixed a problem where some 3D thumbnails (MPO files) showed only one of the two side-by-side pictures.
  • UI improvements: Minor UI polishing.

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 08:03:06 AM »

Thanks for these cool new features Mike.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 11:27:56 AM »

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Thanks for these cool new features Mike.

Yessiree,
We all know how well SMART EXPOSURE works on our images.... about 90% perfectly decoded without tweaking.
Now Mike has done about the same thing with our colors.

Smart color is reading each image and looking at each color channel..as it did before in Smart Color Boost in the Editor.
But it would only add color to whatever amount it took to fill the brightest color there already.

Sort of like having 6 kids come in for supper.
There's RED, YELLOW, GREEN, CYAN, BLUE, and MAGENTA.

Red was out at the beach all day.
Yellow was at the library all day.
Green was at the park at a picnic all day.
Cyan and Blue went to the movies all afternoon.
Magenta, hung out at the Pizza parlor with his friends.

In the previous versions, Magenta had eaten 3 slices of pizza with extra cheese during the afternoon, so he wasn't really hungry.
Red and Yellow were starving!
Green had a couple of chicken pieces at the picnic, and Cyan and Blue had too much candy at the movies.
So all you could do was click on the ball in Sel Color to see how much to feed them.
Based on Magenta, Blue and Cyan, who were already pretty full, you just put out a small amount of food for each child.

The new version reads the same... what each kid ate during the day, but now it feeds extra food to the hungry kids, and less to the ones that ate during the day and who were not as hungry.
So, after supper, all the  kids have just enough food to be comfortable, no belly aches, no indigestion... just a satisfied feeling after a proper meal.

... and should one of the kids develop a tummy ache, and you want him to eat light for a day, you can uncheck SMART COLOR (SC) in your refine screen, and have him skip a meal.

Hope this shed some light on SMART COLOR.... it is really smart.

Enjoy!

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 08:14:41 AM »

Interesting additions.

Had a session yesterday, mixed results, some images benefited from the 'auto smart color' some did not, no problem one click for on/off.

One comment, if a one shot at auto color in the raw window results in adjustments why does not the actual adjustments show in the SelCol in the editor window?  I have no doubt it is obvious why, but not to this dim mortal.

I am compiling a slide show - Album - Web Site of most of the reasonable images I have taken this last few years, and I must say it is now very quick to reprocess the images to latest standard.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 09:49:32 AM »

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One comment, if a one shot at auto color in the raw window results in adjustments why does not the actual adjustments show in the SelCol in the editor window?  I have no doubt it is obvious why, but not to this dim mortal.

Hi Jeff,
Once the improvements are made to the raw image, they are now part of the raw image cache file, and not saved in a qrs file. 
You do see the improvements in the image when you enter the Editor, but I think you are referring to wanting to see the numbers?
If you want to see the changes to the color channels in the RAW, simply hover the mouse pointer over the little letter SC (Smart Color) in the refine screen, and you can all the changes.
If there's something special you wish to tweak, you can still do that in the Editor as before. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 02:20:24 PM »

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"If there's something special you wish to tweak, you can still do that in the Editor as before.  "

By undoing some of the changes made in the Raw Smart Color presumably?

Is the SC ticket by default? Are you, Jeff, looking at a batch of images all with SC and then removing it when you think you can do better?

Looks nifty. Tomorrow I have to process two hundred images (culled from probably eight or nine hundred) from an Amdram production of Oklahoma. It'll giet a good test as the set is unusually colourful.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 03:05:35 PM »

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By undoing some of the changes made in the Raw Smart Color presumably?
You cannot undo "some" of the changes, it's all or nothing.
In my testing of this improvement, any images already with the old SCB applied, I cancelled that setting and used the raw Smart Colour which produces a much better result.  Wink
However, if for example, I wanted to darken a sky (blue and cyan) or nip down the highlights (neutral), I used the Image Editor Selective Colour matrix to do that. You need to be careful boosting colours and check the RGB values as you do it, remember the raw boost will have taken each channel close to the limit, in fact I would not recommend it.  Shocked
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Is the SC ticked by default?
Yes it is. It can be changed to off in raw preferences or merely un-tick in refine when not needed - or visa versa as Jeff is doing!
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 08:26:39 AM »

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One comment, if a one shot at auto color in the raw window results in adjustments why does not the actual adjustments show in the SelCol in the editor window?  I have no doubt it is obvious why, but not to this dim mortal.

Hi Jeff,
Once the improvements are made to the raw image, they are now part of the raw image cache file, and not saved in a qrs file. 
You do see the improvements in the image when you enter the Editor, but I think you are referring to wanting to see the numbers?
If you want to see the changes to the color channels in the RAW, simply hover the mouse pointer over the little letter SC (Smart Color) in the refine screen, and you can all the changes.
If there's something special you wish to tweak, you can still do that in the Editor as before. 

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Thanks for clarification.

It was just that the raw sc color sometimes 'over does it' especially on greens and I wondered if it was possible to fine tune an individual color.

I often do a fine tune in the Editor on greens and blue skies.  Probably my camera is askew on some colors, after all we are doing very subtle adjustments in Ultimate which gets better and better with each update.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 08:46:51 AM »

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It was just that the raw sc color sometimes 'over does it' especially on greens
I think "greens" (grass, leaves) are probably the yellow channel; you can check with the dropper in Sel Col in the editor.
SC will not blow any any channel and the RGB numbers will always be below 255 I believe. They certainly were when I checked 20+ images over the weekend. I did find a couple where I thought the grass was too bright but that is a matter of taste.
Like you I will sometimes do a fine tune in the editor.
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Probably my camera is askew on some colors,
Have you got a camera profile for QU?It is worth investigating if not.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 10:09:36 AM »

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I think "greens" (grass, leaves) are probably the yellow channel; you can check with the dropper in Sel Col in the editor.
SC will not blow any any channel and the RGB numbers will always be below 255 I believe. They certainly were when I checked 20+ images over the weekend. I did find a couple where I thought the grass was too bright but that is a matter of taste.
Like you I will sometimes do a fine tune in the editor.

Right Jeff,
The Editor SC is a fine tune for us if our taste deems it necessary to tweak.
Foe example, where I live, SW coast of Florida, the skies are deep blue for 10 months of the year.  That deep blue with white puffy clouds or ominous clouds against it, gives me some exciting shots that otherwise look ordinary.
So if Smart Color happens to tick the sky iup a shade lighter, I might prefer that it didn't.
Mind you, that SC is reading the entire image and likely it decided that sky needs a tick of brightening based on the entire composite.
I prefer not/
As Terry said, you go into the editor, use the dropper to make sure you have the correct color channel, and reduce your grass as I reduce my sky.
I usually need only a tick to .95 in the Blue and again in the Cyan.

As they say in the UK, "Have a Play"  and get the feel of it.
You will love it.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 10:25:12 AM »

Hello Terry & Fred

Thanks for your comments.

We have had some good summer days and I have been "Using My Eyes"  and yes freshish green grass is quite bright.  Grumpy Nil QU Ten.

It seems it is a matter of taste image by image.

The images I am working on are a few years old and it is showing how much QU has advanced in ease of use.  I some times did some final tweaking in PSE but other than the odd cloning out of unavoidable telegraph poles and wires etc I am into PSE less and less.

Other interesting points - no doubt a system fault - I ended up with 196 images in queue and QU would not make a complete set of web size.  It always failed about half way.  I had to split the job and do 20 to 30 at a time.

Also of on this job when exiting the editor clicking done all the thumbs would flicker for about 30 seconds and then run the revolving circle for a further 15 or so seconds before updating and allowing me to go to next image.

Interesting.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 02:43:04 PM »

Hi Jeff,
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Other interesting points - no doubt a system fault - I ended up with 196 images in queue and QU would not make a complete set of web size.  It always failed about half way.  I had to split the job and do 20 to 30 at a time.
Also of on this job when exiting the editor clicking done all the thumbs would flicker for about 30 seconds and then run the revolving circle for a further 15 or so seconds before updating and allowing me to go to next image
I wonder if both of these are due to an anti virus program.
I've had the problem with web copies and a message about in use by another program.
If a scan is running at least pause it; updating can slow things too. The other option is to exclude the QU program and App' Data folders from any AV sanning.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2013, 03:48:53 PM »

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Also of on this job when exiting the editor clicking done all the thumbs would flicker for about 30 seconds and then run the revolving circle for a further 15 or so seconds before updating and allowing me to go to next image.

Jeff,
If you are exiting the editor after applying changes to filters, the thumbs will rebuild to reflect the changes in the filters you added or adjusted.

Be advised that certain filters are slower due to the intricacy. These may include Noise reductions, horizon leveling, etc.

I am currently running an email web copy routine with 150 images to check for any weird stuff.
I am currently running through 110. BTW, Jeff, I have the "Send By Email Client tick box UNCHECKED,

Running through 130 images and still going!!
OK finished 150.

I would check something..... remember Qimage is placing these web copies in a special folder for you. The next time you run the make web copies, it erases the first batch, and places the second batch in its place, and so on.
Any chance you just do not have the capacity?
So it has to do 30 at a time?

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 08:08:42 AM »

Thanks both.

I will have to do further checking late.

Out most of to day doing washing up for a large number of geriatrics at a meeting!

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