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Author Topic: ODR tick box in Raw Refine  (Read 6344 times)
tonygamble
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« on: July 09, 2017, 10:32:25 AM »

Searching did not find me the answer so can I ask:-

As I seem to find ticking the box gives me a better range in the RR screen is there a way of setting it to apply every time - as the other Raw Format Options are set in Preferences.

Or maybe that is not what the tick box is intended for - so if that is the case can you explain it please?

New version 104 working fine now. Thanks Mike.

Tony
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 11:16:23 AM »

Hi Tony,
Please see the video below.  It should shed some light on your question (when and why to use ODR)
With all due respect, we have been across the pond pals for a long time, and I must be honest.
You seem to have a penchant for wanting to know the proper setting to apply to all your images not only for the check box in ODR, but also  for DFS sharpening, and Noise reduction, Contrast, etc.

Only if you shoot a series of almost identical shots, like portraits or panos would you think of applying the settings to all in the set.
Even that is covered in the multiple Raw Refine where you can apply white balance and fill, and ODR etc to all in a selected set.

Here we have a tick box which turns on a process to the raw image. That process is not quantitative. It doesn't do the same thing every time to any image.
Each image is read, and when you turn on the tick box , it applies what improvement it can make to the readings of that image.
There is therefore no preset amount on which you can say add this to all.
The exact same thing applies to Sharpening. In the editor, the DFS tool allows you to sharpen as needed, "IF NEEDED".
If you check Select Color, and do the automatic apply, you can see each image will show a different amount of boost depending on whaat it can take without blowing out. That is the underlying brilliance built into Qimage Ultimate. It measures the ODR applied to an image by measuring parameters, same as the color, same as the Adaptive noise reduction, same as Raw exposure processing.
 
Please watch the two videos and pay particular attention to the last 5 minutes of the upper one where ODR is not needed at all.

https://youtu.be/OrOJw5lRWiY

https://youtu.be/uh5WG6Ezoto

Fred


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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 08:29:30 AM »

Thanks Fred,

Yes, you know me well enough by now. I guess we started chatting here in around 2002.

Most of my photography is 'event photography'. Take 600 shots. Cull them to avoid duplicates and post them to my web site as quickly as possible. Nine times out of ten I could probably even rely on the jpgs from the camera and forget about RAW. But I shoot RAW as I know it probably can retrieve a usable image from the one in ten that I expose incorrectly. Most people I know shooting RAW run it through Lightroom using a 'catch all' package of settings, again to save time. I am sure that every image they convert could be made 'better' but that is not the point - it is made usable enough for a web folder.

Almost all my QU questions are directed to finding ways of finding 'catch all' settings in QU - so I am as fast as my Lightroom pals. Hence my query last week about screen refreshing and my lack of ability to move on to another image whilst a cache was building . Likewise my query about bulk Raw Refine when Mike recommended working seven RAWs at a time and leaving one core to handle the GUI. When I load a batch of images to my PC from a camera card I let QU start building the RAW caches in the background whilst I am using Fast Picture Viewer to do my culling - all to save time.

Now I see that I can tick the ODR box and bulk apply it in Raw Refine to every RAW I'll give it a try. If more of my RAWs are improved than degraded I'll have saved myself time.

Your videos are great and show the full flexibility of QU. I use those techniques when I have an image that is to be printed or reproduced by a third party. But please accept that I need to have two ways of working - one for perfection and one for speed.

Thanks again for the pointers. None are wasted.

Tony

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 09:09:59 AM »

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Almost all my QU questions are directed to finding ways of finding 'catch all' settings in QU - so I am as fast as my Lightroom pals. Hence my query last week about screen refreshing and my lack of ability to move on to another image whilst a cache was building
Tony,
I had a feeling that you got a call from Her majesty demanding that you have today's photos on her desk b y 6:00 PM or you can forget about the "Sir" in front of your name.
Tony, I still think you missed the point, but I wont belabor the issue any further.
While your lightroom pals are discussing where to set the Luminescence slider and the Flatulence slider, your Qimage Ultimate has already processed the raw image by using the algorithms that read the image for all the parameters of processing and find and preset the proper catch all settings for you. EACH image is individually wrapped in this cloak of brilliant processing.

During the  few seconds, (maybe 30-90 depending on the load in the folder), (Thumb/Cache build) that same time slot that you complain takes too long, Qimage has done all the processing needed individually! That means each image gets individual attention, and receives the the adjustments it needs on an image by image processing basis.

I doubt if I can be clearer than that.
For my money, I would not really like to have all my images treated to a +10 Luminescence and and other sliders set to what?  What image is used for the baseline?
By the way, I remember in my younger days, seeing pictures and newsreels of The Queen  as a teenager. She was really a very pretty girl.
Give her my best when next you see her.
Stay well,
Fred

PS When you open Raw Refine on a group of images, notice the sliders for Fill and the iso (exposures) are different. Not all the same catchall.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 09:28:02 AM »

Thanks Fred,

HRH is still looking good. There is a bit of concern about the impending visit from President Chump. I am all in favour of him coming in the hope that some of our modesty might rub off on him - but I fear he will not notice. Conversation over lunch yesterday was that he was grooming the daughter to take over as President.

On the subject of HRH a pal of ours has just bought a flat not far from us where Princess Margaret used to visit for afternoon tea and play the piano. We met the previous flat owner. To say she is well connected is an understatement.

One of my godsons has just started to work for Mario Testino. If I get to meet the great man I'll have to ask him if he has tried Qimage Ultimate on his RAWs - but I guess he does not even load his own cards and batteries these days.

Happy days.

Tony


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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 11:16:36 AM »

Hi Tony,
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When I load a batch of images to my PC from a camera card I let QU start building the RAW caches in the background whilst I am using Fast Picture Viewer to do my culling - all to save time.
That means you are deleting images in one program while QU is building their cache. That could mess up cache building and slow things down.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 03:22:14 PM »

Thanks Terry.

Speed is not important as the culling takes quite a while so this is dead time as far as QU is concerned.

I did some more work using and removing that ODR check box. Am I right in thinking that it applies the ODR balancing across the whole image - whereas drawing a rectangle for ODR makes the balance based on what is within the rectangle?


Tony
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 07:02:30 AM »

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Am I right in thinking that it applies the ODR balancing across the whole image - whereas drawing a rectangle for ODR makes the balance based on what is within the rectangle?
Not quite. I remember Mike saying in his second introductory video that using a yellow box will emphasise the ODR effect for that area, but the whole of the image is ODR processed too.
See video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoIyaKR6AWY&t=113s. NB. It was a green box at this time and was changed to yellow later.
Mike's first ODR video is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WxfITitP88&t=17s
I'm not sure why they are not listed with the other tutorials.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 09:12:37 AM »

Thanks Terry,

Both videos were most informative.

But the best news was to see what other videos were around. A lot are not on the library page that comes up from within QU. For example the cloning/masking one done by Mike where he removes the letter box.

I'll have a roam around the YouTube suggestions when I have my next spare moments.

Tony
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