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Naz
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« on: December 16, 2010, 06:40:43 PM »

OK, what am i doing wrong? I want my images to be printed @ 11x8.5, but when i print, there are white spaces on top and bottom- sometimes on the sides as well- the photo isn't printing out @ 11x8.5? I've tried 'fit to window', 'custom size @ 11x8.5' (Which always get automatically resized to something like 10x7.33 or so). I've tried printin g photos that are sized specifally for 11x8.5 in photoshop (and which print the full photo without cropping anything off and which fully fills the 11x8.5 photo paper with no white spaces), but still I get white areas, with some of photo cropped off.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 07:16:37 PM »

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there are white spaces on top and bottom- sometimes on the sides as well- the photo isn't printing out @ 11x8.5? I've tried 'fit to window', 'custom size @ 11x8.5' (Which always get automatically resized to something like 10x7.33 or so). I've tried printin g photos that are sized specifally for 11x8.5 in photoshop (and which print the full photo without cropping anything off and which fully fills the 11x8.5 photo paper with no white spaces), but still I get white areas, with some of photo cropped off.

To make your print fill the paper, Crop scissor on, checkmark in Borderless in the driver, Use fit to page for your print size, add your image and it will do what you ask.

The print size you are getting, 10.77 x 8..266 is the printable area of the shet of paper before you invoke borderless.
Same results from Photo Shop.
What printer model?
What is the resolution of the image?

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 08:52:12 PM »

using photosmart 8200 hp printer. Resolution of photo- the one that ui can print full page with windows print, with no margins or printer cropping off image, is 4472x3456 @ 406 resolution. I have the print set up in qimage to borderless, and fit to page, but it's always resizing the photo on me.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 09:13:09 PM »

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n qimage to borderless, and fit to page, but it's always resizing the photo on me.

Please see the attached screen snaps, and send me back your same screen snaps.

I want to see what Qimage reports as the size of the print, and I want to see the printable area and input resolution.

Then we should be able to figure it out.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 09:29:04 PM »

Welcome to the forums, Naz.  You're in good hands with Fred.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 05:07:27 AM »

I tried posting earlier, but the forum was having oproblems i guess?

hi Fred- my snap shows what you first one does, only it's 11x8.4995, on one photo, and 11x8.5 on the other photo I tried. -

I feel like a knot-head- I think I've got it figured out now- I was only sdetting up borderless in the printer- not in Qimage. I had been using the 'Enter specific size' and setting the size to 11x8.5 (which I would have thought would have automatically filled the page since the paper being used is 11x8.5?). I assumed setting borderless was to be done in the printer dialogue box, but now see it's in the image settings in qimage as well- once i clicked the 'borderless' in Qimage size, it automatically set it to 'fit to page' and fileld the page without cutting anything off (I was using a photo I had resized in photoshop to print full page-  4472x3456 @ 406 resolution- I'll try another photo later ton ight that hasn't been resized in photoshop for an 8.5x11 (the pixel size without cropping is above 5000- can't remember the exact sizes)

And just for the record- qimage is giving me some really nice results. I hadn't realized how soft my images were printin g out before, and how offcolor they were compared to what my monitor was showing- Qimage has really improved the photos, but I'm finding the color to be still slightly off from what my monitor shows- but definately better than windows print was doing- Now I'm getting nice sharp, deep color photos that really make a difference- even @ the default sharpening and other settings, I can definaterly see an improvement

Hi Glendower-
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 10:53:28 AM »

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I assumed setting borderless was to be done in the printer dialogue box, but now see it's in the image settings in qimage as well- once i clicked the 'borderless' in Qimage size, it automatically set it to 'fit to page' and fileld the page without cutting anything off (I was using a photo I had resized in photoshop to print full page-  4472x3456 @ 406 resolution- I'll try another photo later ton ight that hasn't been resized in photoshop for an 8.5x11 (the pixel size without cropping is above 5000- can't remember the exact sizes)

Yes, borderless is to be done in the driver box. That doesn't change. If you click Borderless in the Qimage Custom size box, it will create the command to FIT TO PAGE.
That's all you were missing.
If you click Borderless in the Qimage box *before* you set borderless in the driver, Qimage will remind you to set the borderless check mark in the driver, and even open the driver to that location for you.
..... and sets the FIT TO PAGE.

I think where you are getting lost is thinking that you already created an 8.5 x 11 inch image. The image has an aspect ratio, and a resolution, but no print size.
Just let Qimage determine the PPI *after* it sets up the print size.

You want a borderless, 8,5 x 11 inch print?  Fine! Set borderless. That changes the printable area of the paper to 8.5 x 11 from the normal 10.766 x 8.266.
Then select FIT TO PAGE, (Turn crop scissors on because the aspect ratio of the image (width divided by height in pixels) may not be identical to 11.0 /8.5.

Add your image.... Viola!  8.5 x 11 borderless.


I hope I was clear... if not, fire away!

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 03:14:42 PM »

Again, welcome to Qimage and the forums, Naz.  This is just an example of the top-notch help & feedback you can get here.  Fred's advice is right on target.

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I'll try another photo later tonight that hasn't been resized in photoshop for an 8.5x11

Exactly right.  It's fine to use Photoshop to do all of your edits EXCEPT FOR cropping, resizing, resampling, etc.  After that, as Fred says, "Just let Qimage determine the PPI *after* it sets up the print size."

Note that your "getting it to fit" problems occurred because of what you had done to the image BEFORE you brought it into Qimage.  Many other people posting to this forum have had similar problems.  The solution is to do all cropping, resizing, etc. in Qimage.

I suspect that I'm like a lot of other Qimage users.  If all I want is a top-notch print, I pay no attention whatsoever to dpi, ppi, etc.  Qimage does it all for me.

Please keep us posted on your progress.  We all learn from each other.

Happy Holidays.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 05:30:57 PM »

thanks folks- I was definately getting a bit frustrated until discovering that I had to set it to borderless in qimage- I hadn't even seen the option- not sure hwy- it was like a mental block or something- I just assumed, like i said, that the borderless was supposed to be set in print options- I tested a few more photos straight from camera- no cropping, and Qimage set the parameters for the boderless 11x8.5 just fine. I haven't checked the ppi on them yet, but I suspect it's close to what's needed- I also severely cropped a photo, let qimage resize it to 11x8.5, and printed it out- it looks great without any real perceivable loss of detail  or image quality- got it hanging on my wall Smiley

I'm not sure which version I'm gonna buy- not sure if I need all the bells and whistles, but hten again, the full version isn't that much more in price- I'll probably buy the studio version.

I've compared a couple of photos to ones pruinted with windows, and they were portraits where the skin tones were very light- VERY subtle color (I could see the subtle color variations on my screen, but when I printed them out in windows print, the sublety was lost- the lguiht colors just kinda meshed together and all looked almost white- I then printed them out in qimage, and the sublety was quite apparent in the photos- unlike hte windows version- I also really like how qimage sharpens the photos even with hte default settings- not too much, and definately better than HP's default sharpening- It's so nice to see prints come out looking very close to what I see onscreen- For a long time, I thought my prin ter was the culprit for the less than stellar prints- but I see nowe it was the lack of proper ICC profile which Qimage has corrected now

Well, thanks agasin, and sorry for the confusion- I was kinda overwheklemed with trying to learn a new program, and missed what should hasve been an obvious solution as Glwendower had told me in photocamel already to check 'borderless'- but I mistook wehere to check the option- sorry for that Glendower. Qimage does take a biut to get used to- but it's not too bad- I'm finding that the other options are pretty strightforward and not too dificult to get the hang of

Well, thanks again folks-
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010, 05:22:37 AM »

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I also severely cropped a photo, let qimage resize it to 11x8.5, and printed it out- it looks great without any real perceivable loss of detail  or image quality- got it hanging on my wall


Get used to results like this.

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let qimage resize it

This is the key to using Qimage.

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I'm not sure which version I'm gonna buy- not sure if I need all the bells and whistles, but hten again, the full version isn't that much more in price- I'll probably buy the studio version.


Get Ultimate, so you'll have TTS.  See this thread for the results you can expect.

http://ddisoftware.com/tech/qimage-ultimate/qu-tts-helps-a-grey-heron-to-overcome-a-cheetah/


Happy Holidays to all from Florida...we made it!
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2010, 06:11:15 PM »

thatnks for the help folks,

I have one quesiton- My prints are coming out just a bit darker than what shows up in Qimage- I'm not quite sure what to set the image lightening to in Qimage htough to match what I'm seeing onscreen? I will state htough that I ran out of HP photo paper, and am using a less than stellar 'Jet print photo' paper, and am not sure if that is the reason the prints are coming out darker? although looking at one of my earlier Qimasge prints, on HP 4x6 gloss, it looked a bit darker too, but not as bad as the jet print photo paper. I realize I have to do aqn ICC profile, but I do 't have the funds right now to get calibration software, but the colors are printin g very close to what I see on the screen, but just a tad too dark compared to what shows  onscreen in Qimage before printing

I'll probably end up getting the ultimate version- I know if I go for the less expensive version, there will crop up instances where I'd wished I'd gone for the higher version- that's usually the case- as it was when I bought photoshop elements- I broke down and eventually got CS 5.

One hting I wanted to mention/ask- You mentioend targetted sharpening- in the past, what I usually do is just sharpen the whole photo, then open both unsharpened photo and sharpened one, lay the unsharpened one over the sharpened one, and erase areas that I don't want sharpened (or apply a mask, and brush out the areas I don't want sharpened. then flatten gthe image and resave it. ) I don't get too fussy about gettign real close to subject as along edges of subject, I'll usualy reduce opacity of brush and paint a thin outline that blends into them ore sharpeened areas of subject- that gives a pretty good transition from sharpened areas into non sharpened areas of background

Also, as a thank you for the help here- I thought I'd mention a free photoshop action called 'Golden Crop- it gives several cropping methods- golden mean, golden  triangle, rule of thirds etc- very handy program to have as many times the golden ratio works better for photos than the rule of thirds does- I don't have hte link- but a google search  fior 'golden crop' will find it
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2010, 06:33:11 PM »

Naz,
It's impossible to tell whether the paper, profile, or monitor is the fault.
Perhaps at this point, it would probably be best to try to turn the brightness down a bit on the monitor.
If the monitor shows too bright, then we set the image to what we see on the monitor, we would tend to tone it down, and the print would reflect that change.

Later on, you can get the proper paper with the proper profile for it and your printer, and it will be fine.
For now, turn the monitor down a bit, and re-work the image.

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2010, 08:16:23 PM »

I have a question regarding "resizing & cropping" in QIU.

I have always cropped my images in LR then printed them (after specific QIU adj) using QIU. I don't believe that I am losing print quality by doing that. Is my thinking correct?

Resizing is different as I understand it. I always us QIU for that.

I read somewhere in a post that I should only do cropping in QI before printing. Need the experts advice please. Thanks.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 08:29:51 PM »

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I read somewhere in a post that I should only do cropping in QI before printing. Need the experts advice please. Thanks.

It is always better not to rearrange pixels multiple times.
Simply, decide on the print size, add your image open the Full Page Editor, adjust your crop window and zoom factor, and print.
You don't even have to crop the image unless you want to.

If you want to crop the image, then draw a crop box in the Image Editor screen, and save the filter.
You now have an image with a cropping filter over it.
*STILL*, the image has not been touched, changed, altered in any way, and you have a cropped image
You can make multiple crops of the same image this way, and decide which you like best.

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2010, 10:05:52 PM »

thanks Fred- I hadn't even thought of doing that- guess i'll have to do that for now so my prints come out more accurate to what i see onscreen.
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