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dannac
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« on: August 03, 2017, 08:03:47 PM »

New to Qimage.

Have a small image of approx 4 x 5 at 172 ppi.
Brought it into Q to see how good Q would enlarged it to 8 x 10.

Then tried to print to file, just to see what would be output.
Not sure if anything actually happened, as it did not ask me for name or save location.

Appreciate if anyone could shed some light on this for me.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 08:44:09 PM »

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Appreciate if anyone could shed some light on this for me.

Hi Dan?

Can you tell me the resolution of the image, or can I assume 860 x 688?
I can explain it to you, but wouldn't it be so much easier to either put the image into the queue at 8 x 10 print size and make a print?
Please see screen snaps
In order to get them the same size, one is 100% magnification and the other is 200%
One shot is 172 and the other is 86 ppi
Have a look Which is which?
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 09:57:54 PM »

Hi Fred

The original is actually 804 x 642 ... inch dimension just a little smaller than the 4 x 5 I gave above.

Yes, I could print to see but ink's not cheap ... and was trying to figure what "print to file" would do.

I'd say your bottom image is 172.

... are you saying if I enlarge my image to 8 x 10, it will suck like your top image ? Grin Grin Grin

Thanks for the reply
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2017, 06:56:29 AM »

Hi Dan,
I'll make a couple of comments:
"Ink is expensive". The auto job log in QU allows you to see how much area has been prints with ink and the total area of the media used. I've used this data to do detailed costings of my printing. For me it works out that for an A3 print, ink is 20% of the total cost - but I am able to get genuine Epson ink for my R2000 at a very good price. However, if I paid the normal price for the ink, it would be 40% of the total cost. Conclusion: relatively speaking ink is not expensive but the media is!
I recommend you print the image and you'll see a true result.
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are you saying if I enlarge my image to 8 x 10, it will suck like your top image ?
QU will give you the best possible result for printing a low resolution image. I've done well in competitions with A3 prints at 100ppi. Yours would be 80ppi so will look a bit soft but not pixelated in any way
NB. do not try to "enlarge" the image before you print it. Let QU do the interpolation and use the original image at 10x8.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2017, 08:31:37 AM »

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I'd say your bottom image is 172.
You are correct, but still we are looking at screen resolution followed by a screen snap with 200% magnification on one of the two.... with file size small to be accepted by the Forum rules.....
Make a print.

Terry prints often at A3 size, and really wins at least a contest a month. Sometimes, we have to tear up a print..... so we redo with the irritant removed.
I print on 13 x 19 paper mainly. I print for my own pleasure. I donate them to people that enjoy them.
Many of my prints hang in local hospitals and Dr offices.
I get no money, and neither does Terry. We just enjoy the light in someone's eyes when they look at the prints.

My point... Ink price is little concern.
Paper cost little concern.
This is a hobby for us. We take pictures and catch good light on an interesting subject, and it starts there.

If this is your business, then like any business, you balance costs against results.

I think you have to decide to enjoy printing or give it up and let Walmart print for you.

Not trying to sound harsh, but there is no middle ground. 
If you bought a decent printer and do not use it, you will have clogged coagulated ink cartridges, and dried out head. Many many ink cleaning cycles.... to recover. THAT gets expensive.

Again, apologize for sounding harsh
Fred
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2017, 09:37:18 AM »

The auto job log in QU allows you to see how much area has been prints with ink and the total area of the media used. I've used this data to do detailed costings of my printing.

Wow , did not know it had that feature.

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do not try to "enlarge" the image before you print it. Let QU do the interpolation and use the original image at 10x8.

So I could make adjustments in Photoshop to everything but size ... then send to QU for the enlarging ?
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2017, 09:41:33 AM »

My point... Ink price is little concern.
Paper cost little concern.
This is a hobby for us. We take pictures and catch good light on an interesting subject, and it starts there.

If this is your business, then like any business, you balance costs against results.

I think you have to decide to enjoy printing or give it up and let Walmart print for you.

Not trying to sound harsh, but there is no middle ground. 
If you bought a decent printer and do not use it, you will have clogged coagulated ink cartridges, and dried out head. Many many ink cleaning cycles.... to recover. THAT gets expensive.

Again, apologize for sounding harsh
Fred


Not harsh ... good points ... Thanks Fred.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 11:41:10 AM »

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Not harsh ... good points ...

Since you offer in your post that you were a new Qimage Ultimate user, I would like to pass some facts along to you.
I could go through the procedures one by one, and explain that QU will do the better job every time.
Instead, I will make a bold statement which I can back up and have backed up many times.

If you take the time to learn QU, and being a fair person, will honestly compare....
I will take any Raw image or even a JPG, and make a better final image and print using Qimage than can be popped out of PS.
I will do it quicker and with easy additions of borders and mats, more attention to color management, and size prints without having to save at different print sizes.
The only area I cannot compete with is large cloning areas, and trick stuff (swapping heads)

How can this be?
Mike Chaney developed Qimage with the best print quality as the goal.
He needed to make sure the machinery inside was the best too.

Two small examples of what QU can do better.....
The Interpolator. FUSION... is in a class by itself.  It is used when printing, upsampling, downsampling, and any resizing.
DFS, Deep Focus Sharpening, is far superior to USM. It allows sharpening by color, or ignore a color, or full.
Best of all, no halos... So you can recover a low rez image back to life.

Last item,  Processing RAW images.  QU does it automatically to 90% of spot on.  I know, that's like buying a TV dinner in the market and finding it tastes better than what mom made from scratch.
Just let QU see a folder with a few Raw images, and give it time to automatically make its adjustments to each image. It has all the tools to make manual adjustments after you see them.

So all I am really saying is to try QU and experience the quality.
Fred

I found an old video for you
https://www.youtube.com/embed/AiVoXcB1uzk
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 12:30:24 PM »

If you take the time to learn QU, and being a fair person, will honestly compare....
I will take any Raw image or even a JPG, and make a better final image and print using Qimage than can be popped out of PS.

... very bold statement and you've certainly peaked my interest.

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Raw processing ... QU does it automatically to 90% of spot on.  

Please explain how to auto process a raw file.

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I found an old video for you
https://www.youtube.com/embed/AiVoXcB1uzk

That's pretty amazing.
Can I assume that the default DFS set to 5 on the main screen will auto apply DFS to a print ?

Thanks Fred
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 12:49:00 PM »

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Please explain how to auto process a raw file.

There are presets that you can set before processing for cameras with extra noise or lenses that are soft, but for now, stay with the defaults.
Simply open a folder with images and QU will immediately set forth to create thumbnails and process each image finally creating a cached file for use.

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That's pretty amazing.
Can I assume that the default DFS set to 5 on the main screen will auto apply DFS to a print ?
The DFS in the Image Editor screen (as shown in the video) applies to the image.
The SHARPEN 5 (DEFAULT) on the Settings screen applies to the print. It is used to maintain teh image sharpness when it goes to paper.
Some papers  are sharper than others. You can compensate if you wish.
I have found very small differences between numbers. So to see anything showing a difference, you need to really boost the 5 to a 10 or 12.

All good questions.... and remember, there are many forum viewers that appreciate what you are asking.
Thanks,
Fred
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 06:51:19 PM »

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The Interpolator. FUSION... is in a class by itself.  It is used when printing, upsampling, downsampling, and any resizing.
Have a look here to learn about it.
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I addition to the advanced interpolation of "Fusion", another unique feature of QU for printing is that it reads data from the driver and automatically resizes to the native resolution of the printer, typically 720ppi for Epson, 600ppi Canon. Whatever the pixel size of the original image, you don't have to worry about itt, QU takes care of it for you.
Terry
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