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Author Topic: Print what I see - 4th attempt  (Read 348 times)
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« on: April 15, 2019, 09:12:41 PM »

I have attached two images, the first (QImage 20190415A) is a screen capture of QImage Ultimate showing a photograph to be printed after adjustment and cropping. The red boxes denote the space by the aircraft  wingtip and prop.  First image is too big, you'll have to trust me that there is significant room between the left hand edge and the prop and between the wingtip and the right hand edge.

The attched image (QImage 20190415B) is a scan of the print produced, clearly the wingtip has been clipped and the prop at the edge of the print.

It almost seems as if about a 1/4 Inch has been subtracted from each edge of the image, and then the reduced result is expanded to fit onto the 4x6 paper.

I have use QImage Ultimate and its earlier versions for a while now (and like it very much), but have never been able to print what I see.  I have tried numerous experiments and burned lots of paper and ink trying to get this to work, all to no avail.

It's undoubtedly something simple....TIA

Best Regards,

Mark
 
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 09:23:04 PM »

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It's undoubtedly something simple....TIA
Unfortunately, you are not providing image size vs print size vs Aspect ratio.
But since both clipped off areas are on the wide sies, I would make my guess that the auto crop scissor is on.

See snaps attached. Let's check these for starters
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 10:08:59 PM »

Fred,

Thanks for your prompt reply.  Unfortunately no change.  I've attached some more screen caps.  Image D gives you some idea of the space between the wingtip and image edge.  The print actually cuts the wingtip off.  The manual crop is a 4x6. Image F shows the basic image data out of the camera.

Mark

Edit. To be clear, the scissors was not on, but I printed another anyway for clarity.  Looking at the QIMage vs printed image, the image is being trimmed on all 4 sides before being expanded, not just the sides.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 01:00:38 AM »

If you are printing on 4x6, my guess is that you are using borderless mode to print.  In that case, the printer/driver will expand the print so that it prints part of the image off the paper in order to get true edge to edge coverage.  You can often minimize the amount of expansion via driver settings but when printing borderless, you may not be able to recover all of the data that gets expanded past the edge.  Another option to prevent that expansion is to click Edit, Preferences, Print and Page Formatting, Borderless Overspray/Expansion in Qimage's main menus and disable expansion.  Keep in mind that when you do that, you are asking the printer to do the impossible: to print exactly 4x6 inches on paper that is exactly 4x6 inches with perfect alignment.  The paper loader cannot load perfectly so you may end up with small white slivers on one or two edges.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 11:12:48 AM »

Mike,

You're absolutely correct!  I am printing borderless and when I disabled the expansion, the full image printed.  You were also correct in that there are a couple of white 'slivers'.

But there is a rational explanation and no amount of configuration will change it.  I'm ok with that, I'll just have to remember to not crop images too close in the viewfinder.

Thanks!

Mark
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 03:37:16 PM »

For what it's worth - when I want truly borderless prints - in my case usually 5x7 - I print two of them on letter size paper and then trim to the print size.  This way I have absolute control of both the print size and area printed, no expansion, no overspray, no white slivers.  It's simple and dumb but it works for me.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 05:55:25 PM »

MelW,

Thanks for the tip  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 06:08:18 PM »

Many years ago when I was doing wet printing in the darkroom, border-less prints became popular. I used adhesive easels for the paper for a while, then Omega came out with a nice borderless easel that held the paper just by the edge. There were arguments about the desirability of border-less, as it left the prints subject to physical damage over time. Staining also tends to happen near the edges under some conditions. For archival prints one definitely wanted borders and I'd say the same today.

Today the issue of physical damage remains, plus over-spray. Even though printers are (we hope) designed to handle a reasonable amount, IMHO it's best to avoid it. Like MelW, if I want border-less, I trim after printing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2019, 09:27:12 PM »

Ah yes - those were the days.  Try to come up with some gimmick to keep the paper completely flat during exposure and then of course pray that the water bath keeping the developer at temperature hadn't cooled too much while you were fiddling with the paper! Back to present day, I'm glad you pointed out that one other advantage of not using borderless printing: you can be absolutely certain that you are not putting down any ink in places that you are not supposed to.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2019, 09:58:18 PM »


Your point is well taken on borders and preventing print damage. 

Those images I print for friends are always in PrintFile archival sleeves so damage is not an issue.

Mark


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