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Author Topic: Qimage Ultimate Purge sheets for Canon Pro-100S  (Read 5132 times)
BruceW77
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« on: June 01, 2018, 05:07:31 AM »

I have been using the Purge Sheet option of QI Ultimate for a little over a week on my 3 week old Canon Pro-100S.
I originally set the schedule for 2 days using a half page pattern.
I was surprised when I sent a normal print job to the printer and a clean cycle was initiated before the print was processed.  I estimate this clean cycle was about 42 hours since the last purge sheet.
I changed the schedule to 24 hours and one again a clean cycle was initiated before a print was processed.  In this case I estimate there was about a 5 day period between the 2 clean cycles and that it was only about 6 hours since the last purge sheet.
Interestingly, 5 days is 120 hours, which is a figure mentioned in forums for some Canon printers if they are not used to print regularly.
I am forming an opinion that the Pro-100S has an algorithm to run clean cycles even if the printer is used regularly.
I have been sending prints to the printer on a regular basis in addition to the purge sheets.
Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2018, 08:51:27 AM »

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Interestingly, 5 days is 120 hours, which is a figure mentioned in forums for some Canon printers if they are not used to print regularly.
I am forming an opinion that the Pro-100S has an algorithm to run clean cycles even if the printer is used regularly.
I have been sending prints to the printer on a regular basis in addition to the purge sheets.
Any thoughts?
Hi Bruce.
I had followed Jose` Rodriguez and his printer forum for quite some time. He claimed to have been in touch with Canon and the auto cleaning was set at 60 hours of non use.
That having been said, I hear these whirring sounds from my Pro 100 almost daily, and it sounded like a cleaning cycle to me. I asked Jose, and he said it was some kind of a blower... ? and it was not cleaning and not to worry.
Frankly, I stopped worrying, because this printer produces A3+ or 13 x 19 prints that will knock my socks off.
This is my return to a Canon with dye ink, and I have to tell you that my prints are so exceptional that I even stick with OEM ink at 17.00 for 13 ml
Fred
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2018, 12:49:01 PM »

Hi Fred,
I have to admit I am very happy with the print results.  I previously had a Pro9000 and was astonished at how quickly it used up ink.  I knew it was doing numerous clean cycles and it frustrated me that it was using my liquid gold to perform these cleans.  I eventually made the huge mistake of installing a CIS which damaged the printhead which I replaced and then made another mistake of using non Canon cartridges.  I got several years out of that printer before it damaged yet another printhead.  It was only when I saw one of Jose's Youtube videos that I realised that the Canon carts really are more sophisticated than the 3rd party ones.

I thought with all my newly gained information I could introduce a workflow that would allow me to continue using OEM carts.
I just did a tally of all the prints I have done since buying the printer and checked the ink levels.  I am now undecided whether I will be using 3rd party inks in reset canon carts.
The stats are as follows:
- ink levels range between 60% and 70% full across all 8 carts.
- I have printed 16 x A4 paper profile sheets.  They tend to have a lot of white space, so lets say equivalent to 12 sheets
- I have printed 14 x A4 photographs.  Some had quite wide borders, but since I also did a number of small passport size tests and wallet size tests and one 6in x 4in print, I think 14 is a fair total.
- I have printed 4 x A4 purge sheets, (actually 8 x 0.5 sheets). However, these apparently only use a very small amount of ink.  Lets say 1 sheet.
- Printer initialisation used about 3 sheets, but again very low levels of ink.

So in summary, about 35% of my ink was used to print just 27 x A4 photographs.   Hence a full set of inks is only going to print about 77 x A4s at a cost of about Aus$2.12 each. About  US$1.60.
I could probably handle that, but if I slow down at all the cleaning cycles could become more of an annoyance.
It would just be reassuring to know what the printer is doing.  Is there really any point in doing the purge sheets if the printer is going to run clean cycles anyway?
Bruce
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 04:22:10 PM »

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- ink levels range between 60% and 70% full across all 8 carts.
- I have printed 16 x A4 paper profile sheets.  They tend to have a lot of white space, so lets say equivalent to 12 sheets
- I have printed 14 x A4 photographs.  Some had quite wide borders, but since I also did a number of small passport size tests and wallet size tests and one 6in x 4in print, I think 14 is a fair total.
- I have printed 4 x A4 purge sheets, (actually 8 x 0.5 sheets). However, these apparently only use a very small amount of ink.  Lets say 1 sheet.
- Printer initialisation used about 3 sheets, but again very low levels of ink.

Did you know that Qimage does the calculations for you?
Open Auto job log, select the prints you wish to measure ink usage. Right click, /analysis
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 11:45:18 PM »

I did not know the ink levels were measured by Qimage.  That's fantastic.  I will give it a try.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2018, 05:37:40 AM »

I have now tried this ink/paper reporting feature in QIU and believe it is a useful feature.  I recently saw a report on the Red River site (http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html) which calculated ink cost based on surface area printed, so combining these 2 bits of information will help to calculate running costs.

Back to my original question I have now found a Service Manual for the Pro9000 which describes the cleaning algorithms used and I believe the Pro-100S to be very similar.
There is some useful information in the manual, most of which is probably best suited to the Printer forum, so I will start a thread there.

On the topic of QIU though I think I will make a suggested improvement to the purge sheet feature, based on the information in the manual.
Here is a quick teaser: If you change an ink tank in less than 60s, on the Pro9000, you can avoid a clean cycle.  Probably applies to several Canon printers.  They talk about an accumulation of time if you remove and replace the cartridge, but no clarification about the timer being reset, when printing for example.
Bruce
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