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Fred A
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« on: August 10, 2010, 09:30:08 PM »

This is absolutely FUN! to try out.
I have options to select a color range and tell Ultimate to sharpen that only, don't sharpen that, but sharpen the rest. I have been playing with items like selecting the sky and telling Ultimate to exclude that, but sharpen the rest....  loads of options to try out.

Good job Mike.
This is the best new tool since you released the Unsharp Mask Equalizer bar.

Thanks from Fred
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 09:49:58 PM »

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loads of options to try out.
I posted some links here showing very early efforts:
http://ddisoftware.com/tech/qimage-ultimate/v2010-106-issuescomments-898/msg6497/#msg6497
EDIT: I've deleted those links/images now because of the v107 improvements
It'll be good to share our experiences  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 11:53:34 PM »

I've updated the example page on the Qimage Ultimate site to include an example of an eye, eyebrow, and lashes that were sharpened without sharpening the skin tones.  The sharpness of the eye is quite dramatic without exaggerating wrinkles and skin blemishes.  I think I'm having the most fun selecting an object and saying "sharpen everything BUT that".

The example page:

http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/tts.htm

Mike
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 10:23:56 AM »

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It'll be good to share our experiences  Smiley

I thought I would share one of my early tries.

Aim was to sharpen the building across the water, only.

I have a before and an after.

It's like one of those lady's wrinkle cream commercials; before and after.  Roll Eyes

Fred

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 10:30:29 AM »

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Aim was to sharpen the building across the water, only.
So what did you select, something on the building or the sky and say everything else except the sky?
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 11:19:01 AM »

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So what did you select, something on the building or the sky and say everything else except the sky?

In this case, I was after a little extra sharpening on the building. I selected the color of the building, trying to find a middle ground color, although, there is plenty of latitude above and below your selected tone.
I really did not want to sharpen the foreground as that is almost silhouette like. I didn't want to sharpen the water because it was sharp enough from the lens itself, and over sharpening water looks like a fake painting.

This is the beauty of Tone Targeting.
Use your creative juices, but try to hold back a little as I can easily get carried away with my new tool/toy.  Cool

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 10:13:00 AM »

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So what did you select, something on the building or the sky and say everything else except the sky?

Oh, I am enjoying this while I learn it.
This time I told Qimage Ultimate to sharpen everything *except*.... I selected SKY as the exception.
No increase in noise at all, and just a wonderful overall effect of the sharpening.

Oh you must try this... I did someone's blue eyes and what an effect!!

Experimenting and learning!

Fred
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 01:45:48 PM »

Did you see these new ones that Mike C posted on the web page?

This is worth a look.
Better than mine!!

http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/tts.htm
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 03:29:50 PM »


I dunno.  Is it picking up subtle tones and sharpening anyway?  The strawberry definitely worked well, but the lad's hair took on some sharpen also, especially where it crosses his earlobe.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 04:15:55 PM »

Hello All

Just had a couple of hours trying out the new feature.

I think it will take a bit of getting used to.

Posted a couple of my efforts on Blog - http://grumpy-jeff.blogspot.com/

One overall sharpen, other two selected colour - the hair and red dress.

Have now gone cross eyed, what do the rest of you think, don't laugh to much Smiley at least they are more interesting than a tree Smiley imho

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2010, 04:23:18 PM »

Where is that site background from?  It looks like Kuwait or Iraq.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 04:31:54 PM »

Hi Seth,
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Is it picking up subtle tones and sharpening anyway?
There is an adjustment slider that affects the range of the selected tone; at 100% the range is limited, as the % is reduced, the range of tones, around that selected, is increased. That's my understanding and experience with using it.
You can also choose to sharpen everything except the selected tone, saturated colours or neutral greys.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 04:33:58 PM »

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Where is that site background from?  It looks like Kuwait or Iraq.
If you mean Fred's image, it's Sarasota FL. Surely nothing like those places, Dubai maybe?
Edit. Whoops, you meant Grumpy's blog, dooh!
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2010, 04:42:37 PM »

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Have now gone cross eyed, what do the rest of you think, don't laugh to much Smiley at least they are more interesting than a tree Smiley imho
Cross eyed, that's the wine again, not QU.  Grin
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I think it will take a bit of getting used to.
It's worth the practice and experimentation. You'll then find which type of image the technique suits and which it does not.
Keep on letting us know how you are getting on.
Great photos on your blog  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 05:04:39 PM »

After reading what you wrote, I'm not sure you realize that the tone selection is a single selection.  So if you selected the hair and then the red dress, your tone target is the last thing you selected (the red dress).  In that image, I think I'd try some things to see what effect they have depending on what you want to emphasize:

(1) Try selecting the green in the background and then click the color swatch and select "Target all tones EXCEPT the selected tone".  Then sharpen.  This will bring out everything in the foreground: car, skin tones, red dress.

(2) Try selecting skin tones (on the face for example) and select "Target the selected tone".  This will emphasize the girl.

(3) Select the green in the background, select "Target the selected tone", and use a USM of something like 2 radius and -200 strength.  This will smooth out the background (trees and grass) and remove the noise from those areas.

Also keep in mind that you can use some very high levels of sharpening for effect in conjunction with the shadow noise filter for some really clean, sharp effects!

Edit: I just tried it on your image.  Use the dropper on the green of the trees in the background.  Select "Target all tones EXCEPT the selected tone".  Use 1/200 USM.  Check the checkbox for "Shadow Noise".  That combo makes the subject burst to life (skin, hair, face, dress) and it wipes out all the noise in the background at the same time.

Mike

Hello All

Just had a couple of hours trying out the new feature.

I think it will take a bit of getting used to.

Posted a couple of my efforts on Blog - http://grumpy-jeff.blogspot.com/

One overall sharpen, other two selected colour - the hair and red dress.

Have now gone cross eyed, what do the rest of you think, don't laugh to much Smiley at least they are more interesting than a tree Smiley imho

Jeff  
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