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Author Topic: Trim lines when printing 2-up or 4-up  (Read 13665 times)
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« on: January 24, 2012, 12:38:28 AM »

A requirement that comes up for me quite often is this. My clients want uncropped images center printed to fit on a specific sheet size, e.g. 12x8, with for example a 1/4" minimum white border all around. However, I don't actually print on 12x8 sheets of paper--I simulate these sheets on 24" or wider roll paper by printing 2-up or 4-up, etc. and then trim out the individual "sheets". I can do this with, say, a 12x8 template placed 4-up on a 24" wide roll paper, with the image border set to 0.25", auto-crop off, with template/centred layout. This will resize and position the images correctly.

The problem is how to get Qimage to print the trim lines between the images. Any ideas?

Thanks so much.

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Brad
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 03:28:23 AM »

  After you have set up your page size by adding the .25"with the borders set to B+ (outside the image), you can do it by selecting the 'crop marks' option in the Edges popup dialogue box below the preview screen.It will show the corner marks for trimming purposes.
I do this for printing multiple gift card layouts. The only thing that bothers me a little is when I have the cards layed out with the space saving feature and the cards are right next to each other, you inevitably show the mark slightly on one side or the other after the trim. You would have to trim just inside the marks if you don't want to see them,  since even though they are thin, they are black and show if your not exactly inside the marks on the trim. I wish there was a way to make the marks just barely visible, a very light gray for instance. ;-)

From Help Menu....
Mark Edges - Click the "Job Properties" tab on the bottom/right of the main window and check "Edges" to produce crop marks or a thin outline around each print to aid cutting.

The two options below produce lines that extend past the edge of prints to aid cutting.  Be aware that since crop marks and guide lines extend beyond the edges of prints and into "unused" portions of the paper, they should not be used if you intend to reuse/refeed the paper into the printer at a later time in order to use more of the paper.

Crop marks*: crop lines that extend 1/4 inch from all four corners of each print.
Guide lines*: guide lines for cutting extend from all four corners of each print all the way to the edge of the printable area on the paper.
* Note: crop marks and guide lines will not print on corners/edges that are too close to the printable margins of the paper.  Unless borderless printing is selected, your printer will not be able to extend the crop marks/guide lines all the way to the edge of the paper due to physical printer limitations.


 
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 11:14:42 AM »

How about -'Page formatting-mark edges of print-use border colour. Slect the width of border and whatever colour you want. works ok in qi studio.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 12:33:59 PM »

Hi
Just to clarify Ray's method, you set the 'Border 1' colour to grey and width to zero then 'Border 2' to your .25" margin and White, then choose 'Mark Edges, use border color'.


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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 02:20:59 AM »

Thanks for the responses. Sorry, but I failed to mentioned that the shape/proportion of the images do not always match the shape/proportions of the template. So when they are resized by QI to fit within the template, the space between the edge of the image and the edge of the template can be unequal.

That's where the problem arises, because my understanding of (and experience with) QI Borders and Mark Edges is that the marks are always relative to the edge of the printed image area, not the edge of the template. I was hoping there was some way to get the trim lines along the edge of the template.

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 10:41:20 AM »

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I don't actually print on 12x8 sheets of paper--I simulate these sheets on 24" or wider roll paper by printing 2-up or 4-up, etc. and then trim out the individual "sheets". I can do this with, say, a 12x8 template placed 4-up on a 24" wide roll paper, with the image border set to 0.25", auto-crop off, with template/centered layout. This will resize and position the images correctly.

Brad,
Excuse me for butting in, but I need to understand. The print sizes vary inside the template, plus a .25 inch white border, and you want guides for trimming
Please see attached screen snap, and point out what is missing that you require.
I have trim guides at the edge of the print and again at the edge of the template.

Fred

PS  Terry et al will try to help. I have to leave for a :Stress Test" in a few minutes.
As if the forum wasn't a stress test enough!     Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 06:31:32 PM »

Hi, Fred. Good luck on the stress test. I appreciate the "butt in"--a picture is worth a thousand words. Taking inspiration from your illustrations, here is one the shows exactly the scenario and the trim lines I'm hoping have QImage Ultimate print for me.

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 06:52:23 PM »

Just a quick question....  Which printer are you using... so I can get 2 x 12 on a 24" roll?

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 07:00:43 PM »

I'm using an HP Z3100 44". Typically, I print full size canvases, 1-up. However, many clients want me to print sets of portfolio prints from their scanned artwork all to fit a specific portfolio size, e.g. 14x11, 18x12, etc. The source images are all different in shape, but final trimmed out pieces have to be the same.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 07:48:37 PM »

Don't have the driver for that one, but I tried on an Epson 7800

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 09:33:03 PM »

Hi Fred. Looking good. In your top two images, I would want them resized up to fully fit the short dimension. And of course, are there any trim lines to separate each template? That's the missing piece to make this work. Well, I'm able to do it manually, but it sure would be nice if QU printed those trim lines for me!

I think what I'm doing here might go against the philosophy of minimizing paper waste, since I actually want wider margins around some images in order that the trimmed out sheets are identical.

Cheers!

Brad
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »

I just put different size images in the templates for effect.
I think that the  trimlines are there but get lost because you have the four 12" templates jammed together.
If you look at #009 from a few posts ago, which was a single template, you can see all the trim lines, images and templates.
That's why I suspect the timlines are there but covered.
I cannot make the print because I don't have a printer that takes 24" rolls.
Make a test

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 10:20:42 PM »

Thanks for sticking with this thread, Fred. I have one of these jobs to run tomorrow so I will definitely give it a go. But which option enables the trim lines on the template? AFAIK, the only trim lines are the "Edges" option in the "Job Properties" box and those lines will appear inside the template next to the image, which isn't what I'm looking for.

Cheers!

Brad
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 11:15:40 PM »

I think that the  trimlines are there but get lost because you have the four 12" templates jammed together.
If you look at #009 from a few posts ago, which was a single template, you can see all the trim lines, images and templates.
That's why I suspect the timlines are there but covered.
I cannot make the print because I don't have a printer that takes 24" rolls.
Make a test

I think this is resolved! My assumption about "Edges" was wrong in the case of templates. With a template, the trim lines are placed around the template, not around the image inside the template. If there are templates 2-up or 4-up, all the trim lines are visible. It works like a charm, all I had to do was try it! Thanks Fred.

BTW, I discovered a way to simulate these jobs regardless of what printer you have--just print to "Adobe PDF" and set the paper size at 24" x 16" or whatever. Not only does it work, you get a PDF that shows all the trim lines. Sweet!

Cheers and thanks again.

Brad
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 09:14:00 AM »

Hi Brad,
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BTW, I discovered a way to simulate these jobs regardless of what printer you have--just print to "Adobe PDF"
I've used that technique to demonstrate Qimage to a group via a digital projector.
For those who do not want to line the pockets of Adobe  Shocked then use Tracker Software PDF-XChange Lite, it's free for non-commercial use.
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-lite
The other free option is open source PDF Creator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
Terry
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