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Author Topic: Trim lines when printing 2-up or 4-up  (Read 13664 times)
Fred A
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 10:55:48 AM »

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Thanks for sticking with this thread, Fred. I have one of these jobs to run tomorrow so I will definitely give it a go. But which option enables the trim lines on the template? AFAIK, the only trim lines are the "Edges" option in the "Job Properties" box and those lines will appear inside the template next to the image, which isn't what I'm looking for.

Brad,
I used the selection, "GUIDE LINES" in the Edges selection menu.

Glad that all is working fine for you but I have a question, and I don't mean to pry or to judge, so if you choose to ignore the question I quite understand.

When you use templates in this fashion and the prints will vary in size since the print crop is off and the images are at different aspect, and the templates don't print anyway, the results seem to be odd looking.
By odd looking I have all cut prints at the same size pages as if the prints were on sheet paper, but the smaller prints seem to have a large border that just "feels" odd.
I actually tried to do what you did but I used 4 x 5 templates on 8.5 x 11 paper instead of the 8 x 12 templates.

So what I did was to change the background color of the page to a 238, 238, 238; and made another print.
Now my odd size print looks more intentional than accidental with a faint gray background.

Sorry to butt in, but it must be in my genes..   and you can just detour around the query.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 04:07:19 AM »

Cute PDF does a good job for me.

Great tip on proofing a layout by printing to PDF, thanks much.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 10:06:47 PM »

When you use templates in this fashion and the prints will vary in size since the print crop is off and the images are at different aspect, and the templates don't print anyway, the results seem to be odd looking.
By odd looking I have all cut prints at the same size pages as if the prints were on sheet paper, but the smaller prints seem to have a large border that just "feels" odd.
I actually tried to do what you did but I used 4 x 5 templates on 8.5 x 11 paper instead of the 8 x 12 templates.

So what I did was to change the background color of the page to a 238, 238, 238; and made another print.
Now my odd size print looks more intentional than accidental with a faint gray background.

These particular jobs serve three different purposes. In one case, the artist wants consistent sheet sizes because they are inserting them into a portfolio book. A light gray page colour would probably be OK but the extra white border doesn't seem odd as you're flipping through a portfolio book.

In another case, the artist wants to sell prints on a consistent sheet size. The border should be white all around so the buyer can trim and matte them as they see fit, e.g. use a standard pre-cut matte (and have extra border) or custom cut a matte to fit the image. A gray page colour would hamper that.

The third case is to provide canvas proof prints when I scan a number of paintings for an artist. Here again I want the sheet sizes to be consistent to reduce trimming complexity and time (even at the expense of some  wastage). I think the background should be white all around so the image colours aren't contrasted with the page colour.

Cheers!

Brad
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 10:12:40 PM »

Alas, not resolved (completely). Sometimes I want to force a 1" empty zone at the top of the sheet. To so this, I add 1" to the length of the page size (driver setting), e.g. change from 24"x18" to 24"x19". Then add 1" top margin (well, perhaps only 0.9992" since the bottom margin has a fixed 0.0008"). Unfortunately, the trim lines don't follow the template correctly in that case. See the attachment.

Also, there is an oddity in how QU reports the page size in the preview window. Before the margin is adjusted, QU reporst 24"x19" as expected. After the margin is adjusted, QU shows 24"x18".

Any thoughts on how to get the trim lines to be in the proper location when there is a top margin offset applied?

Thanks so much again.

Cheers!

Brad
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2012, 12:17:53 PM »

Brad

How about adding a 12" x 1" white tif at the top of the template?

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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2012, 04:05:01 PM »

Hi Brad,

Your requirements are getting more complex by the minute  Wink. That always produces a conflict with any automatic method. One thing to remember, as Brian almost mentioned, you can print an image on top of another one. In other words, make some white images with your desired cropped marks placed how you want, (or a single page sized white image with crop marks drawn in some other program) and save the image/page as a job if you need the same layout. Then simply drop your coloured images on top, and position as required. I expect with a bit of experimentation with templates, you can get the images centred on the crop marks exactly as you wish.

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2012, 07:59:40 PM »

Hi Brad,

Your requirements are getting more complex by the minute  Wink.

I suppose you're right. I've come to know that QU has huge amounts of built-in capability, perhaps largely untapped by most users. If QU has been programmed to do what I need, I think that's worth finding out.
 
In other words, make some white images with your desired cropped marks placed how you want, (or a single page sized white image with crop marks drawn in some other program) and save the image/page as a job if you need the same layout. Then simply drop your coloured images on top, and position as required. I expect with a bit of experimentation with templates, you can get the images centred on the crop marks exactly as you wish.

Clever ideas. I will certainly try them out.

Thanks Ray (and Brian).
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2012, 08:22:36 PM »

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I suppose you're right. I've come to know that QU has huge amounts of built-in capability,
Following on from Ray's idea to use a blank white image, don't forget you can use that as part of a template.
See screen shot attached below.
I've put a thin grey border on the white image so you can see it and shown the trim "guide lines".
Maybe this will give you another idea to achieve what yo want.
Terry
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