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Author Topic: Using QU with OnOne's "Perfect Resize" AKA "Genuine Fractals"  (Read 12734 times)
Roger1122
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« on: February 16, 2012, 01:38:24 PM »

We used Genuine Fractals in the office a few years ago and found it a godsend when we had to make a set of oversize A3 prints for an exhibition of photos from tiny originals taken by high-school students. I've just upgraded to the latest version of this as I have a lot of small images, typically 800 x 600 pixels, that I want to print rather larger than would normally be advisable. Has anyone used this (now known as Perfect Resize 7 Pro) with QU? I ask because the pull-downs recommend setting target ppi as 240 or 360 for Epson printers, and I have a feeling it's not quite as simple as all that. Of course it would be great if that's really all I have to bother about... Naturally, I've tried a couple of prints already, and there seems to be a slight advantage in Perfect Resize's favor over a straight QU print from the non-resized original, but I'm so new to QU that I'm probably not getting the best possible results from it. So any advice or comments would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 03:01:31 PM »

Hi Roger,
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So any advice or comments would be much appreciated.
The basic advice is this:
1. Qimage Ultimate has THE best interpolation algorithms of any software
2. To get the best results, interpolate only once in QU and set your driver to "best quality - finest detail" or equivalent.

This means leaving your original image alone wrt to pixel size and use QU to specify the print size in inches or mm and then let QU to its stuff.
It interpolates on the fly as data is sent to the printer. You merely have to decide the print size, QU looks after the pixels.

One big feature of QU is that it interpolates to the printer's native resolution so the driver does not have to interpolate and mess up the quality. This resolution is reported in QU from the driver and can be seen just above the page preview on the main screen. You typically see 720x720 for and Epson or 600x600 for Canon or HP.
If your numbers are lower than that, you have probably not set the driver to best quality/finest detail.

I have printed small images such that the nominal print resolution is 100ppi or less and got good results You can see that figure in the queue tab on the main screen. That is the number before interpolation.
There's some information on the web site about interpolation and quality.
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/quality.htm
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/tech-prt.htm
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/tech-fus.htm
Edit: see this article too:
http://ddisoftware.com/tech/articles/july-2011-restless-natives/
Terry
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Roger1122
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 12:34:55 AM »

Thanks, Terry. I had an uneasy feeling after I bought the upgraded Resize plugin that QU was doing something similar. Fortunately, I also need to be able to display images that were originally 800 x 600 pixels at rather larger pixel dimensions, and this is where Resize excels. For printing, clearly QU is doing a great job. I had already found my way to the "Restless Natives" post, which was what made me think QU could do a good job printing small original images at larger sizes. However, Resize 7 Pro will still be useful in displaying them. Oddly enough, there DOES seem to be some slight advantage in using Resize to create a larger image and THEN using QU to print it. It's very subtle, and I am now checking whether it depends upon the nature of the original image. For instance, one slight advantage I noted was in a B&W print. There was no visible difference between two colour prints. I've no idea why that should be but I am guessing that QU is sometimes able to make good use of qualities that the fractal-based resizing algorithm generates in the larger image. I am increasingly impressed with QU. What incredible value!
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 09:28:47 AM »

Hi Roger,
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For printing, clearly QU is doing a great job
The same algorithm etc. is used to resize images too. here are 4 ways I know of to do it in QU.

1. Use create e-mail copies from Queue, specify the required pixel size - screen size is probably best for viewing only.
2. Use Convert image from the queue, Select add to/replace existing filters and specify the new resolution in the filter.
3. Use Print to File
4. Simply use the image editor to change the resolution with a filter. That avoids creating a new image and can easily removed.

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I am increasingly impressed with QU. What incredible value!
As you are discovering, QU can be a "one-stop-shop" and makes other software redundant.
Terry
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 11:41:29 AM »

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As you are discovering, QU can be a "one-stop-shop" and makes other software redundant.
Terry

Hi Roger,
Just had to add to Terry's excellent explanation.
Realizing that you are asking about UP sampling more than Down Sampling, I still thought you might find it interesting to see a feature that Qimage has embedded in the bowels of her ship related to Down sampling.

This is versatility for a discerning person like yourself who can appreciate the subtle quality adjustment available.

If you click EDIT, Preferences, and then select the top choice, Interpolation, (see snap), you can adjust the anti aliasing for more or less (to taste) for your down sampling.
These are special algorithms written by Mike, the author, that make the best quality down sampled images, and allows you to tweak it to a higher degree of your standards.
More Antialiasing, less chance of an artifact. Less antialiasing, sharper image, but with a chance of some artifact possible, depending on the type of image subject. 

Just thought you would appreciate some of the sophisticated abilities of Qimage Ultimate.

I am enjoying your discussion.... except I already know the winner.!!     Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink

Fred
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Roger1122
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 09:42:22 AM »

1. Use create e-mail copies from Queue, specify the required pixel size - screen size is probably best for viewing only.
2. Use Convert image from the queue, Select add to/replace existing filters and specify the new resolution in the filter.
3. Use Print to File
4. Simply use the image editor to change the resolution with a filter. That avoids creating a new image and can easily removed.

I must admit it never occurred to me that a printing program might be used to upsize an image. I am used to printers producing images that are never as good as the original images and certainly didn't expect it to produce a superior image. But the prints I am getting with QU are clearly better than I was getting with the manufacturer's driver under PhotoShop colour management so that I am keen to see what can be done. Thanks for the suggestion, which simply wouldn't have occurred to me!
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 10:06:02 AM »

Realizing that you are asking about UP sampling more than Down Sampling, I still thought you might find it interesting to see a feature that Qimage has embedded in the bowels of her ship related to Down sampling.

This is versatility for a discerning person like yourself who can appreciate the subtle quality adjustment available.

I don't know about "discerning." You don't have to have much in that area to see what a great job QU does. But you are right that this is an interesting feature. Genuine Fractals was a breakthrough when it came out, and enabled us to upsize low-res student pics to A3 oversize prints without any pixellization. But I like the idea of the ability to control anti-aliasing. Perfect Resize 7 Pro (to give it its full name!) does a very fine job with its default settings but I haven't seen much help on tweaking it. Maybe I should spend some time at the "Perfect One University."   

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If you click EDIT, Preferences, and then select the top choice, Interpolation, (see snap), you can adjust the anti aliasing for more or less (to taste) for your down sampling.
These are special algorithms written by Mike, the author, that make the best quality down sampled images, and allows you to tweak it to a higher degree of your standards.
More Antialiasing, less chance of an artifact. Less antialiasing, sharper image, but with a chance of some artifact possible, depending on the type of image subject.
 

Well, I'll have to leave that until tomorrow. At the moment Resize has my vote for a slight quality advantage in some cases but this is without looking under the hood at QU. Now,  however, I know that if I can get any advantage out of QU in printing I will also be able to create comparable display images. So it's definitely worth playing with these settings. Thanks for the pointer. By the way I have already sold one friend on getting QU! He asked if it could handle file preparation for professional colour labs printing very large posters, say 4 x 6 feet. I remembered seeing a discussion about that and he'll be downloading the 30-day trial as soon as he can get around to it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 10:09:45 AM »

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I must admit it never occurred to me that a printing program might be used to upsize an image. I am used to printers producing images that are never as good as the original images and certainly didn't expect it to produce a superior image. But the prints I am getting with QU are clearly better than I was getting with the manufacturer's driver under PhotoShop colour management so that I am keen to see what can be done. Thanks for the suggestion, which simply wouldn't have occurred to me!

Roger,
Just for fun, and to see what Qimage Ultimate can do, and do easily, take a few minutes for some of these videos.  http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/learn.htm

Not only what QU can do, but do it better with greater quality and precision.

For example, did you know you could transfer files at high speed and with zero danger of corrupting or losing data?
I use it all the time to update my backup folders of pictures which also contain the Qimage Ultimate work I did which is saved in small filters.
I update the backup folder as easy as pie.

Fred

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