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« on: September 29, 2010, 10:23:35 PM »

http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u

v2010.122     09/29/10     

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v2010.122 includes the following:

  • Single raw HDR: The raw refine dialog now includes a significantly improved fill light and a new "HDR" slider.  To create high dynamic range photos, simply expose for the highlights when you take your raw photo and then when refining your raw in Qimage Ultimate, add enough fill to brighten the shadows.  Then simply drag the "HDR" slider to the right to recover any lost detail in the highlights by compressing the dynamic range.  By operating only the fill and HDR sliders, its easy to create beautiful HDR photos from a single raw exposure!  In many cases (when dynamic range isn't extreme), single raw HDR photos produce better results than many people are achieving with multiple exposures.  Note: the fill light in both the raw refine dialog and the (non raw) image editor have been improved and may show slight differences from prior versions.  Please double check for proper fill and exposure prior to printing photos when fill light was added in previous versions of Qimage/Qimage Ultimate.
  • Fixes and improvements: Fixed some minor bugs and made some slight improvements to some windows and dialogs.

Learn more about Qimage Ultimate single raw HDR (with examples): http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u/hdr.htm

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 01:48:20 AM »

Thanks very much Mike.

Anything else up your sleeve??!!

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 07:41:52 AM »

You are bringing out new features thick and fast, it is a job to keep up with you Smiley  Only just getting the hang of tone sharpening which I find quite subtle and very effective.

Thanks for the new features, they are keeping this only brain working hard.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 08:07:23 AM »

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You only have yourself to blame, was you who started this HDR stuff, remember?  Grin

I've had a quick go with a number of images and it works very well in the right circumstances.
It works for any high contrast image where exposure was for highlights and a good level of Fill is required - not just for back-lit cloudy skies.
See attached below for a simple example. Filled to give detail in the dark foliage  then HDR to bring back the detail in the water ripples & fountain.

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 10:08:06 AM »

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I've had a quick go with a number of images and it works very well in the right circumstances.
Wow you people get up early over in the UK. Don't you ever sleep.
When I got on here a while ago, boy, was I surprised, and pleasantly so.

I played for a while, (with Qimage Ultimate) and not only has the FILL been improved, but the HDR slider is a really nice tool.
Terry is right on the money. Oh I forgot!   "Spot on" .
To simplify, when you have some shadow areas that need opening (lightening), but in doing so, your highlighted areas are losing detail (like lace work on a white blouse, or the folds in a man's white shirt (or the detail in the bright parts of Terry's top tier water), you can recall the detail with some judicious use of the HDR slider.

I wish Mike would have called it Fill Detail, or Recovery of Detail, because that's what it does.
Anyway, have fun redoing all your old images. That will keep you (Jeff-G) out of the pubs for a while! :-)
You do not need HDR on every image. So don't get carried away. But try it. That's how you get the feel of it.
Second caveat. Add too much HDR, and you can see the contrast flatten somewhat. 

Have fun all you Ultimate people.   (hey! We are UPs) Ultimate People!!

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 11:34:18 AM »

When you get to my age one has to get up early, time is short and a lot to do Smiley

I have just taken a shot direct into sun through Poplar tree metered for sky.

5 minutes quick work with Ultimate.  The new HDR slider did a good job I think.


Camera created jpeg


Raw image Ultimated

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 11:39:00 AM »

Try raising the FILL a few more numbers
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 11:42:25 AM »

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You only have yourself to blame, was you who started this HDR stuff, remember?  Grin

Terry

Yes I do remember, I did not think it would have such a quick effect. Must congratulate Mike on such a simple (for us that is) additional feature.

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 12:41:48 PM »

Jeff,
Would it be too much trouble to send me the RAW file?
Appreciate it.

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 12:44:38 PM »

Jeff,

Wow, nice shot!  I've found that the ones that have the sun in the picture are the most difficult.  Most of those are so extreme that they actually need multiple exposures to do HDR well.  That sample is actually quite nice, although for something that extreme (with the sun itself in the photo), I might have opted the more difficult route of multiple exposures.  Our of curiosity, what camera?

One comment just from looking at the shot: be careful not go to too high with the HDR.  Some of the clouds near the horizon level might benefit from less HDR.  The HDR slider is designed so that if you go beyond about 20 on the slider, it does a different sort of DR compression: one that tends to smooth out the boundary between shadows and highlights.  That method takes care of any halos or sharp transitions.  If not used carefully, it can make some areas look pasty though if there's detail you want in that section of the curve.  I wonder if backing off on the HDR slider a little would bring back some of the clouds near the horizon.  That may brighten the brightest clouds a little but that's OK: you don't want those too dark anyway and you can often brighten them quite a bit without actually losing detail on them.

It's a delicate balance actually that takes a little getting used to.  I've been working on this for 2 weeks over many dozens of shots.  I'd welcome you emailing me that shot if you like.  I'd like to see what I can do with it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 07:15:16 AM »

Mike and Fred

Image sent yesterday, at least it left me.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2010, 09:37:27 AM »

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Hi Jeff,
Nothing arrived here. It's 5:30 am at my house EDT right now.

I think you said it was a new or different camera. Were the Raws too large to email?

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2010, 10:32:29 AM »

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Jeff,
I just googled your camera and focused on the size of the Raw file size. The consensus seems to be about 25 megs as a DNG.
In an email, that usually translates to a 27+ meg email and attachment.
Too much for email.

There's a site called YOUSENDIT.com where you upload your image and give my email address. I get notified, and I can download from there; no charge to you.
Maybe you have a site from which I can download your shot?

Otherwise, I think I am out of ideas.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »

Jeff,

Thanks for sending the image.  Looks like you did a great job.  I can't improve on it much.  Most of what I did was a matter of taste.  Here's your rendition (repeated from above) and then mine:




Comments welcome of course.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 09:11:40 PM »

Mike & Jeff,

Would you both mind sharing the settings that you used (TTS, HDR, Fill, Curves, etc.) to obtain your desired results. I understand how each photo we process will be entirely different.

Just curious as to what each of you did.

Both are very nice photos.

BTW..Thank you Mike for the HDR options. Experimented late last night (barely awake) and had a couple of very positive results from some old RAW photos. At least my wife was impressed.

Appreciate your work.

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