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v2013.105    12/03/12

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v2013.105 fixes a preview page bug when printing posters and an image editor bug related to using the mirror filter after applying rotation.

Mike

Don't know if this is an exclusive bug to v2013.105 or not as I'm still getting used to printing from a NEF file.

However, in NEF files from a Nikon D800E, there is some thin black and dark magenta/blue and black line that is approx. 1mm wide that appears on only the right edge of the images when shot in landscape mode.  The first line the entire length of the edge is the dark magenta/blue (maybe 0.3mm) and the second wider line adjacent is black (maybe 0.66 for a total of 1mm overall width.). The left edge is clean of the line(s).  It is visible in the Editor side too.

A NEF converted file to TIFF and printed does not show that line in the program.  ???

I'll try and attach a JPG showing the line (image rotated 90 degrees CCW from landscape so the odd color lines are up) that show the two color lines and the subsequent TIFF image from the NEF that doesn't show the lines.



Fwiw.


Mack

Mack,
The D800E is not listed in the supported cameras. The D800 is and the samples images I have from that model are fine.
Terry
Correction, the D800E is listed

I purchased QImage Ultimate in November 2012 and have received updates through 104 as a registered user.

Did something change as I requested 105 using the same proceedure as before?

No email back with the update.

Please advise
Richard

Terrry,

I thought it was supported since v2019.219 three versions back:  ???

v2012.219    Dated 07/04/12.

v2012.219 includes:

    A major raw update that adds support for 31 new camera models:

    Canon PowerShot G1 X
    Canon PowerShot SX220 HS
    Canon EOS 5D Mark III
    Canon EOS 650D / Digital Rebel T4i / Kiss Digital X6i
    Canon EOS-1D X
    Casio EX-Z8
    Fuji HS30EXR
    Fuji F600EXR
    Fuji F770EXR
    Fuji X-Pro1
    Fuji X-S1
    Nikon D4
    Nikon D3200
    Nikon D800
    Nikon D800E
    Nikon Coolpix P7100
    Olympus E-M5
    Panasonic DMC-GF5
    Samsung NX20
    Sigma SD15
    Sigma SD1
    Sigma SD1 Merill
    Sigma DP1
    Sigma DP1S
    Sigma DP1X
    Sigma DP2
    Sigma DP2S
    Sigma DP2X
    Sony NEX-7
    Sony NEX-F3
    Sony SLT-A37
    Sony SLT-A57


It's a pretty obvious line in the D800E on the right-hand side.  Might be something to do with the anti-alias filter in that model over the D800 model, but shouldn't be there.

Fwiw, it shows as a "white & magenta" line in Corel's RAW viewer in their latest Paint Shop Pro X5 (v15.1.0.10).  In Qimage Ultimate 2013.105 it is a "black & magenta" line.  Both about 1mm in width running the entire right end.

The other 5 RAW programs I use do not show the two lines at the end of the photo, just QU and Corel's PSP X5 show them, albeit different colors.  Even Windows 8 Pro "Windows Photo Viewer" displays the D800E file without the lines at the right end correctly.  See attached photo below:

Also, I also just tried a NEF out of a D7000 and it is okay in QU and no two-color lines as above, just the D800E shows them.


Mack

Mack,
I missed that information, it is on the web web site  ::)
That is not the raw file but the jpeg embedded in the raw so you'd expect the  in camera jpeg to be ok.
Sounds like it's one for Mike to check out.
Terry

Richard,
Did you click Help About and then update now? That should initiate the e-mail to download the new version.
Also, if you are still running v104, a notification will appear in the title bar at the top; clicking that also opens the Help -About.
Terry

Mack,
Definitely! I just downloaded a couple of D800E raw file samples and the problem is clearly visible.
Terry

Did some checking and found that the images from the "E" are 7424 wide.  The images from the D800 (NO E) are 7378 wide.  According to the specs, both cameras should be the same.
The extra pixels might account for the problem.

Photo shop shows 7360 wide, so it looks like they might have given it a haircut too.

Better wait for Mike!!

Fred

Mack,
Curious!
Did you receive any firmware upgrade for the camera recently?

Fred

If you Google D800E firmware upgrade, there has been at least one this year but still many issues remain with the camera according to some forums.
Terry

That may be true, but the question is, has Mack applied any upgrade.

Fred

Interesting - I get a similar line - looks like a rope - on the end of portrait oriented NEFs from my D600. I assumed that this is because it is not yet supported by dcraw.

Fred, yes it has the most current updates: A and B (A: 1.00 / B: 1.01).  The "C" one came later I think. That "C" one is some extra one that Nikon posted later than the first pair and they call it "Distortion Control Data" for cameras (Most of their DSLRs) that support it.  It is found here:http://www.nikonimglib.com/dcdata/index.html#os-windows (http://www.nikonimglib.com/dcdata/index.html#os-windows)

I saw in the current update (A&B) this:
Modifications enabled with this upgrade of firmware, release date May 29, 2012

    When a still image was captured while viewing existing images in playback mode, the monitor turned off, the memory card access lamp glowed steadily, and, in some rare cases, the camera ceased to respond to operations. This issue has been resolved.
    When the Wireless Transmitter WT-4 was used with certain settings applied, RAW images were also transferred when Wireless transmitter > Transfer settings > Send file as was set to JPEG only. This issue has been resolved.
    A dark shadow sometimes appeared at the bottom edge of images captured with Active D-Lighting set to any option other than Off with Image area set to 5:4 (30x24). This issue has been resolved.


Maybe that last one?  Although it says on the bottom edge and this occurs on the right end as viewed in Landscape mode.  I don't see an issue there.

Adobe RAW on my NEF's shows: Adobe RGB (1998), 16 bit, 4312x7360, 36.2MP, 240ppi at the bottom of the ACR screen as mentioned already.

Odd why the D800 and D800E would be different sizes in reality though. Odd why they would allow more MP in the D800E if that is the case: D800=36.24MP & D800E=36.47MP if both are 4912 in height. Interesting trivia bit though.  ???

Glad to see Terry sees it too in his downloaded D800E NEFs and it isn't my camera acting up.  My fear is having Nikon work on it.  :o

Strange Mel's D600 shows the same bit of extra rope, but if it isn't supported yet in QU then it may "Need a haircut too."


Mack

For a fact!   I didn't know this until today...
The D 800E is on the list of supported cameras but it was put there because Nikon said the D800 and D 800 E were the same... It really was not officially tested and approved.

From what I understand, there will be a new DCRAW for us within a few more days.
Then, the problem should be addressed in the new release.

Terry was kind enough to send me the "E" images so I could play too!
Fred

Fred,

Maybe Mike and Corel both could use a marketing pitch like: "Our program allows you to use more 'uncropped' space of your sensor than Adobe and all others do which give your images a big megapixel haircut."  :D

Or I might use it to annoy my club's D800 users with:  "Oh yeah?  Well my more expensive D800E has 0.23 megapixels more than your cheaper D800 does.  So Neener.  Neener!"  ;D


...maybe not the best ideas...


Mack

Please excues me if this is in the wrong area. I'm only an occasional forum contributor.
I trialed Ultimate and after a couple of days realised I had to own it.
After the purchase of earlier this week I have a reasonable handle on basic functions and have assembled 10 pages inc 11 images.
My problem is if I change the orientation of either the sample page or a new page, the thumbnails in the browers flicker and "QImage.exe has stopped working" appears and I have no choice but to close the program.
Curious also why when I click on page 10 and Insert New Page, the new page becomes page 10 and page 11 has the last image. I would expect the new blank page to be page 11.
I think the program was a great find. I get a kick out of taking the captured image through to the printed page.
My system is Win 7 64 bit, I Core 7, Nvidia Quadro 600, 16 G RAM if that helps.

Hi John....
Can we get some screen snaps of your main screen so we can see exactly what teh settings were, with regard to thumb size and qualuty...
Also the Properties box so we can see the placement selected.?
The object is to try to replicate your setup.
... and hopefully repeat what you get.

Sometimes there's not enough room to post attachments here, so ig you can send them to me email, that would be fine.

Email:   wathree.ssz@verizon.met

How many images to a page? What size prints?   Auto placed my Qimage or manually placed?

Thanks,
Fred

OK John, I just tried to emulate...
Using one 8 x 10 print to a page (8.5 x 11 paper size)  (since you said you had 11 images in the 10 pages and one page of two 5 x 7s,

I add 9 images to the queue, and then two more at 5 x 7.
So I have 10 pages and 11 images.

Now I right click on the image in the preview panel, upper right, and select Insert Page!
No matter what number page is open to view, any image I add becomes the last page.
So to clarify, if I am looking at page 4, and I invoke INSERT PAGE, and add an image, the new image becomes page 11 and follows the page with the two 5 x 7s.

So please correct my workflow to match yours.

Are you trying to insert a page with an image (that you forgot) in between other existing pages?
There's a very easy way to do that.

As for crashing.... no sign of it here when I change page orientation from any screen.

So last question, how long has it been installed on your computer.?
Reason for the question is this:
Some installations are corrupted by the download and install having to fight through an over aggressive Anti virus program. The results are usually erratic operation or locking up at times.
If you have it a few days, try disabling teh Anti Virus program for a few minutes, make a fresh download, and a fresh install. See if that fixes the lock up.

Waiting to hear from you.

Fred

Hi John,
That's the way it works, inserts BEFORE the page you started from.
Now, if you wanted to place an image on that new blank page, you must set the placement method to Freehand before inserting the page and than drag the new image to that page.
However, there are easier ways of adding an image in the middle of the queue.
Add the new image by double clicking the thumb, it goes to the end. Then open the Queue tab (shows list of images in text form) and drag the new image to where you want it.
There is another way using the Page Editor but I'll leave that for now.
Terry

Hello Fred, I tried to e-mail twice last night, but they bounced.
I have attached a screenshot. I installed only two days ago. I have redownloaded and reinstalled the default printer driver as well.
At your suggestion I turned off my AV and uninstalled, redownloaded and reinstaled. I opened the troublesome layout, but no change to the orientation problem causing shutdown.
I then started afresh with a new layout.
With a handful of images, either 2x per page as attached or full A4 borderless the page rotation works fine. All images auto arranged.
I save as a Layout at this point and continue adding images from the browser hitting the + on the image. I get to around 20 pages, mostly single borderless A4s, and it goes bad. Attempt to rotate a page and again kapput.
I then reopen my small layout of 4 pages and all is fine. It seems that as I add more images, borderless or not, at some point I will not be able to rotate the page without the flickering of the browser thumbnails and the shutdown.
As I compose this response, I've thrown lots of images, without any editing, into a layout as 2.5"x3.5", around 10 pages autoarranged. They respond to the orientation no problem. I then select a page at a time and turn them into A4 borderless. Still no problems. I now have 38 pages and no problems.
The only difference between this layout and the troublesome one is no QI edits and the way I've added the pages.
I'll start over AGAIN, with the edited images, adding as I have just done and see how I go.
Thanks for reading.
If anything seems wrong on this end, please get back to me.
Terrys response was that the Insert Page behaviour is normal. That's all I need to know on that one.

PS. I did say I'm not a forum contributor. Please excuse me again if I've messed this post up.

John,
Sorry to hear you are still having crash problems and I cannot suggest anything at present except it's PC/Windows problem.
As I understand it, the problem of crashing occurs after you have edited a set of images and added to the queue. What edits are you applying to the images? QU applies edits as a filter to an image in a specific sequence and some of them can take more time than others, depending on your computer's resources. You do seem to have plenty form what you say in the first post. For now, a work-round would be to limit the number of images in the queue and save as a Session, then repeat.
I've have just added 81, 18Mpx RAW images to the queue, all with edits, at 7x5, then changed them all to 4x3 and then to 10x8. No problems at all.
One small point;
It's probably better to save as a Session or even a Job. Layouts are really designed for making Templates without any actual images.
Terry

John,
I've tried to repeat everything you said over here, not a hint of a problem
I do see something that makes me wonder.
Why are you using CUSTOM LONG side is 8.265?
TRY using FIT TO PAGE crop scissor OFF instead!
See if that fixes the crash...

If not,  see if there's an updated Video Driver for your video card.

Fred

PS Recheck email....  wathree.ssz@verizon.net
That's just my HAM radio license from 50 years ago, all spelled out     WA3SSZ

In addition, if you wanted to use LONG side is ...... wouldn't you say 10.766 or whatever it says above the preview panel for the longer side printable area?

Try that too.

Fred

Thanks Terry, don't know what I did but followed your directions and now have the upgrade.
Richard