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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2010, 04:35:52 PM »

Thank you, those are the 2 machines I'm using. I'll be in the studio later and will do a print from the 9800. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it goes.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2010, 09:58:58 PM »

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Ok. I'm having a hard time finding ICM in the driver to turn off color management because I am using printer profiles.
For Epson, typically:
Main tab, Colour management, ICM, No Colour Adjustment.
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main tab, Dot in Custom then NCA from drop down list.
Terry.
Ok, I turned off color management because I am using a profile but what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct. I don't want to double profile. The last question I have of the evening (I hope), I'm a little confused over the quality. Is just the superweave the difference between quality 4 and 5? I'm going to be printing to Innova Cold Press and what I used to do was just pick 1440. I know I'll like this once I get the hang of it, it's just getting up to speed that is a little frustrating. But hey, I just hooked up a 2nd monitor off of the pc and changed the resolution so I'm getting there. Have patience, I'm a Mac person. I'm just going to change rolls and then off to print. Maybe I should wait for the ICM, no color management question first. Thanks for being so patient.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2010, 10:22:58 PM »

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what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct.
I think so, Epson drivers vary as to the interface but they all seem to use the term "No Colour Adjustment", that is the setting for driver colour management off.
Terry.
PS I've attached screen shot for the 4880 driver which is probably similar to yours.
T
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2010, 10:37:37 PM »

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what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct.
I think so, Epson drivers vary as to the interface but they all seem to use the term "No Colour Adjustment", that is the setting for driver colour management off.
Terry.
PS I've attached screen shot for the 4880 driver which is probably similar to yours.
T
Yup that's what mine looks like. I'll make a print soon and let you know how it comes out. I'm getting excited, I sure hope this solves all of the problems I won't be having between Apple, Adobe, and Epson. I can't believe I would ever even think of using the pc for a print server but it has to be easier and more consistent than the hoops I have to just thru now to get reproducible prints. I sure hope this works.
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2010, 01:52:51 AM »

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what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct.
I think so, Epson drivers vary as to the interface but they all seem to use the term "No Colour Adjustment", that is the setting for driver colour management off.
Terry.
PS I've attached screen shot for the 4880 driver which is probably similar to yours.
T
Any thoughts - it says it is printing but it is not. Just sitting in the printer que saying it is.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2010, 07:43:37 AM »

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Any thoughts - it says it is printing but it is not. Just sitting in the printer que saying it is.
What is saying that, Qimage or driver?
If Qimage has finished processing, see screen snaps attached of progress bar, then it's probably a network problem.
Terry
PS. Qimage sends a lot of data to the printer compared to "normal" printing, so if the network is slow you may have to wait  Angry
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2010, 09:24:39 AM »

Na Goodman,
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what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct.
This is correct.
You activate the No Color Adjustment adjustment setting by selecting ICM first.
Then ICM shuts off when you select NO Color Adjustment.

Maybe Brian can help with the Mac interface?
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2010, 01:53:39 PM »

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what confused me is I cannot chose ICM and not color management so I just turned it off and ignored ICM is that correct.
This is correct.
You activate the No Color Adjustment adjustment setting by selecting ICM first.
Then ICM shuts off when you select NO Color Adjustment.

Maybe Brian can help with the Mac interface?
Fred
Everything is set up and I'm ready to print. The job goes to the printer and it says it is printing but it is not. I had to get the job done so I switched over to the Mac and printed. It worked. The only thing I can think of is this pc does not have that much memory and maybe that had something  to do with it. I'm going to just go down and print something small and see if that gets it going. I don't want to buy more memory until I can at least get a print from the pc to the printer. I did delete all the jobs from the que so at least I'm getting to know my way around the pc and QI. I just really want to see a print. Does the memory thing make sense to you?
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2010, 01:44:55 AM »

Ok, so I sent a smaller file to QI and it printed fine. But comparing it to a print straight thru the driver, the print thru the driver is smoother and looks more continuous tone looking thru a loop. It may be caused by the sharpening so I thought I would send it thru again with sharpening turned off in QI. I did print out the manual so hopefully that will answer some of the questions I have. Thanks everyone for all your help. If you have any suggestions about the "graininess" I'm seeing, I'm all ears.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2010, 07:33:17 AM »

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Does the memory thing make sense to you?
You need to give us some numbers. What is the  spec of the PC? You still did not make it clear whether Qimage finished processing with the larger print? I still suspect the network stalled on the large amount of data; can you monitor data flow on your network?
What was the print size?

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But comparing it to a print straight thru the driver, the print thru the driver is smoother and looks more continuous tone looking thru a loop.
What about at normal viewing distances? A print direct from a driver will look soft, how does the prints look compared to the screen view of the image?
Tell us some numbers, image size in pixels print size, driver quality settings?
If Qimage is downsizing to send to the printer, the anti-alias setting may be affecting the appearance. In the Interpolation preferences, what is set there. I prefer the "low" setting, higher anti-alias means softer too.
The other thought is that if printed directly via the driver, there was no colour management therefore the printer profile was not active. The gradation of tone will be affected by the printer profile, so is that what happened?

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If you have any suggestions about the "graininess" I'm seeing, I'm all ears.
Is this image noise or just the ink jet dots? If the latter, perhaps the printer quality setting is too low.
Terry

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2010, 09:16:34 AM »

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If you have any suggestions about the "graininess" I'm seeing, I'm all ears.

Na Goodman,
We are trying to help, and one thing that would help us to help you would be having the image in hand plus what Terry asked for: Print size, paper type, and printer settings.
Would it be possible to email the image you are trying to print from to me (and to Terry) so we can see if there's noise, or insufficient resolution.. whatever?

My email address is wathree.ssz@verizon.net

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2010, 10:27:09 AM »

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Would it be possible to email the image you are trying to print from to me (and to Terry)
See may PM to you for address.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2010, 01:15:13 PM »

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Does the memory thing make sense to you?
You need to give us some numbers. What is the  spec of the PC? You still did not make it clear whether Qimage finished processing with the larger print? I still suspect the network stalled on the large amount of data; can you monitor data flow on your network?
What was the print size?

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But comparing it to a print straight thru the driver, the print thru the driver is smoother and looks more continuous tone looking thru a loop.
What about at normal viewing distances? A print direct from a driver will look soft, how does the prints look compared to the screen view of the image?
Tell us some numbers, image size in pixels print size, driver quality settings?
If Qimage is downsizing to send to the printer, the anti-alias setting may be affecting the appearance. In the Interpolation preferences, what is set there. I prefer the "low" setting, higher anti-alias means softer too.
The other thought is that if printed directly via the driver, there was no colour management therefore the printer profile was not active. The gradation of tone will be affected by the printer profile, so is that what happened?

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If you have any suggestions about the "graininess" I'm seeing, I'm all ears.
Is this image noise or just the ink jet dots? If the latter, perhaps the printer quality setting is too low.
Terry


Here are the specs of the laptop: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHZ 982MB of Ram(can upgrade to 4G). Looks like it is an 80G harddrive with 57.8 free. It is an Lenova ThinkPad  T61 running Vista Business. The print I was trying to do that said it was printing but was not was 24x28 to be printed on Innova Cold Press at 240. I was able to send an 8x10 and everything printed fine. The one I saw "graininess" on actually got sized down to 4x6 because I didn't notice original size wasn't checked. Don't you think if I max out the ram at 4G this machine should run QI just fine. Comparison's were both made with the profile in tack. Color was fine. I think I can figure it out it's just throwing me when I see a different res number than what I am sending to the printer but from everything I have read I shouldn't worry about it because QI is handling it all in the background. I really just need to always get the best print possible for professional use. Please let me know if you think this machine will work as a print server before I go any further with it and upgrade the memory. I could also always put a bigger hard drive in it if I needed to.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2010, 01:51:51 PM »

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Here are the specs of the laptop: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHZ 982MB of Ram(can upgrade to 4G). Looks like it is an 80G harddrive with 57.8 free. It is an Lenova ThinkPad  T61 running Vista Business. The print I was trying to do that said it was printing but was not was 24x28 to be printed on Innova Cold Press at 240. I was able to send an 8x10 and everything printed fine. The one I saw "graininess" on actually got sized down to 4x6 because I didn't notice original size wasn't checked. Don't you think if I max out the ram at 4G this machine should run QI just fine. Comparison's were both made with the profile in tack. Color was fine. I think I can figure it out it's just throwing me when I see a different res number than what I am sending to the printer but from everything I have read I shouldn't worry about it because QI is handling it all in the background. I really just need to always get the best print possible for professional use. Please let me know if you think this machine will work as a print server before I go any further with it and upgrade the memory. I could also always put a bigger hard drive in it if I needed to.

I have a T61p which is like your T61 but with a higher resolution display. It works well with QImage and printing to an Epson R2400.

If you have enough paging (virtual) memory, QImage should work for you. It would go much faster with more ram and that would be a cost effective upgrade. No need for a larger hard drive since you are doing your edit work on another computer.

Mike has a couple of articles that quite likely will help your large printing problem. They are February 2006 and April 2006 at:

   http://ddisoftware.com/tech/articles/40/


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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2010, 02:08:32 PM »

Thank you, I'm looking over the articles right now. Oh, I should also mention I gave up trying to network the mac's and the pc and plug the 9800 directly into the pc. After talking to 2 different pc tech people I know, they both agreed it would be easier just to drop the files to a flash drive and transport them to the pc.
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