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Author Topic: Colour and B+W on same layout  (Read 9220 times)
paddygriffin
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« on: January 30, 2010, 12:06:57 AM »

I'm trying to print multiple copys of the same image in colour and in B+W in the same layout, ie. 2 colour and 2 b+w. Is this possible.

Thanks, Paddy
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 12:59:58 AM »

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Is this possible.
Yes, of course.
There are two basic ways to do thsi.
First, you can use SAVE as from the batch filter screen and save a copy (naming that copy uniquely). Then do a -100 in the saturation box, and SAVE AS again.

The other way I can think of is to make your image the way you want. Then from the main screen select the thumbnail and right click and select COPY.
When the box opens, clear the text, and type in a filename, click OK.
Then put the original file back into the batch screen, make it a B&W, save the filter.
Put the first one that you did in color and copied to a new name into the queue also.
You now have two files of the same image; one in color and one in B&W in the queue to be printed. Add another copy of each to the queue, making two of each.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »

I'm trying to print multiple copys of the same image in colour and in B+W in the same layout, ie. 2 colour and 2 b+w. Is this possible.

Thanks, Paddy

Paddy,

Could you be more specific, which printer, what printing modes of the printer?


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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 01:02:16 PM »

Fred,

Thanks for your help.  I'm new to qimage and still finding my way around the program. I'll try out your suggestions later this afternoon.


Ernst,  I'm using a Mitsubishi 3800 dye sub printer , printing on 10x8 paper. I want to make part of a school type package with 2 colour and 2 b+w prints on the sheet of paper.

Paddy
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 01:43:47 PM »

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I'm new to qimage and still finding my way around the program. I'll try out your suggestions later this afternoon.

If you have more questions, feel free to email me directly  wathree.ssz@verizon.net
I can make more screen snaps, and answer specific questions.

Fred
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 07:05:37 PM »


Ernst,  I'm using a Mitsubishi 3800 dye sub printer , printing on 10x8 paper. I want to make part of a school type package with 2 colour and 2 b+w prints on the sheet of paper.

Paddy

I wondered whether you had a printer driver that uses a color mode and a B&W mode like the Epson R2880 or the older R2400 Two driver modes that can not be used in Qimage in the same printrun. The best thing you can do is a good custom profile that keeps the greys as neutral as possible.

You may have the B&W image already but for conversions from color to B&W I always use Photoshop's channel mixer with monochrome output. More or less simulating the spectral sensitivity of B&W films + filter choices.


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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 08:14:53 AM »

Paddy

I think what you need is a method of utilising a black/white conversion as a batch filter, then you could use a template which would automate the whole system - you would just add a file to the queue and it would set up your two colour and two B/W on the page. I don't think you can do the conversion in QImage at the moment (though I'm often wrong  Smiley) , perhaps Mike can look into this.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 01:00:51 PM »

Paddy

I think what you need is a method of utilising a black/white conversion as a batch filter, then you could use a template which would automate the whole system - you would just add a file to the queue and it would set up your two colour and two B/W on the page. I don't think you can do the conversion in QImage at the moment (though I'm often wrong  Smiley) , perhaps Mike can look into this.

Brian

That would be possible I think with curves to alter the color and after that the conversion to B&W. But the beauty of the PS channel mixer to monochrome is the preview in B&W while the color curves are still editable. Making one or more B&W batch conversions in Qimage is quite a job (but could be PS curves transferred) and still are general choices, not image content specific. If the preview can get an extra monochrome choice while in color mode it would be like PS.

The question is whether Paddy actually needs this information, he may have his B&W's already.


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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 01:47:32 PM »

Ernst

I was thinking of a quick method suitable for batch conversion for event or school photos, rather than the fine art method you described. A Desaturate' button in the filter panel would probably be sufficient. For my black and white I prefer to use a Hue/Saturation layer in Photoshop and fine-tune the channels in the adjustment layer to adjust the gray values of individual colours, such as sky or skin tone. I agree with you that channel mixer can give a lovely film-like quality.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 01:55:41 PM »

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I think what you need is a method of utilising a black/white conversion as a batch filter
That exists already in the Select Colour tab. There 5 pre-sets that can be re-called: Sepia, B&W, Red, Green and Blue separation.
There is also the simple method of setting Saturation to -100%. I've not worked out how to do it with Qimage filter curves  Huh?

Using the batch filter method, a re-named copy of the image is still required as Fred said earlier.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 02:45:00 PM »

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That exists already in the Select Colour tab. There 5 pre-sets that can be re-called: Sepia, B&W, Red, Green and Blue separation.
There is also the simple method of setting Saturation to -100%.

Thank you Terry, I knew it had to be there somewhere. You will usually need to use curves or levels after conversion to fine-tune it.


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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 03:57:27 PM »

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I think what you need is a method of utilising a black/white conversion as a batch filter
That exists already in the Select Colour tab. There 5 pre-sets that can be re-called: Sepia, B&W, Red, Green and Blue separation.
There is also the simple method of setting Saturation to -100%. I've not worked out how to do it with Qimage filter curves  Huh?

Using the batch filter method, a re-named copy of the image is still required as Fred said earlier.
Terry.

While it may not be intended that way there's a method from one image file too. With custom color management settings you could select a QTR (RGB) B&W profile and the conversion to B&W (+customised for printer/ink/media) happens on the fly to printing for that image, the other image not selected goes by the normal color ICC profile setting.

That kind of B&W profiles can be created from Photoshop curves too:

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf
more there for the B&W curves.

The Qimage job can be saved and will do that custom color management setting again but not if recalled as settings or with the queue cleared after the recall. A wise limitation.

Done it with a QTR RGB B&W profile.


met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/









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