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Author Topic: Help would be appreciated. Canon IPF8100 print driver confusion.  (Read 8859 times)
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« on: November 15, 2011, 04:05:22 AM »

Hello all, my apologies for asking questions I'm sure have already been answered.

I'm trying to get Win XP and QI Ultimate to play nicely with a Canon IPF8100. XP is running through VM ware fusion on a mac with Lion. After filling my bins with media and ink, I thought it was time to ask for help.

Here's what I've done, but not sure it's correct.
Assuming I have a good custom profile, I select the media profile in QI and then head of into the Canon driver.

Print setup / properties / main / color settings / matching ........ and at this point I'm totally confused with the options listed below.

The options I have are:
1. Driver matching mode (Kyuanos) (I assume a light measuring tool from canon and not applicable QImage)
2. ICC matching mode (best guess is this is selected when using a custom profile outside of QI, but, is it selected if using QI, or do I select "OFF" and select the profile only in QI?
3. Driver ICM Mode (totally clueless)
4. Host ICM Mode (still totally clueless)
5. Off.

The other half of the question is: If I want the printer to manage color due to not having a suitable profile, would l have "OFF" selected in the printer driver and in QI select "let printer driver manage color" or would I also need to select one of the above options as well as selecting QI to let printer manage color.

I hope this is clear, probably not as I'm so confused.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 10:34:31 AM »

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Assuming I have a good custom profile, I select the media profile in QI and then head of into the Canon driver.

Welcome to the forum!

If you have a printer profile made for your printer and paper type and ink, it goes into Qimage where it says Printer Profile, in the Job Properties area.
The driver is usually set to OFF!
This tells the driver, hey, Qimage Ultimate has the color management, so don't change or adjust anything.

One caveat here!
The setting that is selected is determined by the person or company that created the printer profile.
99% of the profiles I encounter call for the user to set the driver to OFF, but I have seen some that say use ICM.
So read the instructions that advise you to use correct paper selection, quality setting, and also the color settings. That's where it will usually say OFF!

If you select Let Printer manage color in Qimage, Qimage Ultimate inserts a reasonably wide gamut profile into that box.
Then the user changes the driver to ICM,    but since your printer has two choices, make a test 8 x 10 using both ICM selections and see which produces the nest results.

That's the best I can come up with....  What does your book say about the difference between the two ICM selections?

Fred

I was just poking around in the 8300 driver and I found OFF in a different location from the 6100. But it does show an OFF setting.

This is an added note.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 10:43:43 AM »

Hi,
I'm sorry I'm not familiar with Canon drivers but knowing the basics for Qimage set up, I suggest the following.
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ICC matching mode (best guess is this is selected when using a custom profile outside of QI, but, is it selected if using QI, or do I select "OFF" and select the profile only in QI?
For fully colour managed printing the printer profile must only be set in Qimage, never in the driver as well. The driver must not be allowed to affect colours at all so I would think "OFF" is the correct setting. The terminology in an Epson driver is "Off - no colour adjustment" so Off with Canon seems to be the way to go.

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If I want the printer to manage color due to not having a suitable profile, would l have "OFF" selected in the printer driver and in QI select "let printer driver manage color"
Yes.
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or would I also need to select one of the above options as well as selecting QI to let printer manage color.
The Help in Qimage (do read it there is a lot of information there!), says:
"While this mode of operation (let driver manage colour) will ensure good color even with the "ICM" checkbox unchecked in the driver, it is best to select the "ICM" option in your print driver if that option is available.  Also, if your driver offers settings under the ICM heading, be sure to select "Applied by Printer Software" or its equivalent"
So from that I would say "3. Driver ICM Mode" is the most appropriate.
Hope that is some help.
Terry



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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 01:09:19 PM »

Hello Fred and Terry. Thank you both for taking the time to reply and for your thoughts.

Fred, regarding the canon descriptions, here's what they offer between the two ICM selections.
ICC matching mode: enables color correction inside the printer driver using standard ICC color profiles.
Driver ICM: Enables color correction by the printer driver using ICM function of windows.
HOST ICM Mode: Enables color correction by the host computer using ICM function of windows.

I think what's become most confusing to me here is the cross combination of operating systems. Eg, is windows passing information through to the Mac, which in turn is modifying things through the Mac color management "ColorSync", or is ColorSync bypassed and the driver spools directly to the printer, not a question, just a thought. This was why I thinking of printing test images with "printer manages color" that way I could compare a print from Mac and QI.

Terry, thanks also for your valued input. I think I've spent more time than I should have trying to understand things that are beyond my comprehension, you are most certainly right that the documentation is extensive, to say the least. If it came with a hammer I could use that without confusion.

Will try both your suggestions and let you know how it goes. Thank you again.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 01:32:16 PM »

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is windows passing information through to the Mac, which in turn is modifying things through the Mac color management "ColorSync", or is ColorSync bypassed and the driver spools directly to the printer, not a question, just a thought. This was why I thinking of printing test images with "printer manages color" that way I could compare a print from Mac and QI.

I can assure you that there are many fine folks on here that will help.
Some use Macs with Qimage running in Windows on the Mac.
Some one of these folks should see your post soon, and perhaps have some experience with the set up, and report.

Fred
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 06:30:47 PM »

Hi

Do any technician know about i code to make hard reset canon ipf8100 with buttons not from the program of the machine ?

thank so much
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 06:41:34 PM »

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Do any technician know about i code to make hard reset canon ipf8100 with buttons not from the program of the machine ?

I found this:
https://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110503100209AAVy4q5

Fred

Have you tried unplugging the power cord for a while?
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