Title: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on May 22, 2010, 07:00:18 PM May 2010: Sour Apples
Background
The goodness that is Apple
Tight reigns
The iPhone app store: it's not your iPhone!
The developer side
Enough about iPhones. What about the Mac as a computer?
Mike Chaney Title: How ironic of Apple Post by: vsteffel on May 23, 2010, 07:35:59 PM Here's a quote that says as well as any:
#10: Adobe Flash is too proprietary to run on any of Apple’s beautifully open systems (except for all Macs).http://www.enterpriseirregulars.com/17744/top-10-reasons-why-steve-jobs-and-apple-reject-adobe-flash/ Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: UltraChrome on May 24, 2010, 04:14:42 PM Couldn't agree more about the entire product line. I tried to use Apple computers more times than I care to remember, only to always return to the PC. "Cute" just doesn't work for me!
Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Owen Glendower on May 24, 2010, 05:09:02 PM Thanks for the inside view, Mike. Sounds like you gave it your best shot.
In another thread, I commented about the Mac fanboys who seem to go out of their way to say, "Tut-tut, this program doesn't run on Macs." I find that sort of thing tiresome, especially since it appears that 85% of Mac households include a PC: http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_091005.html Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on May 24, 2010, 07:58:11 PM I really hate failing at anything and I really wanted to make this work. I guess some of us just have "Mac brains" and some of us have "PC brains". Fortunately for me and my business, less than 10% of the computer users out there have "Mac brains" and from what I saw working as hard as I could work on that Mac for two weeks... I don't see that number going up any time soon! Steve Jobs seems to have a way to make people want something "trendy" whether it works well or not though. That's the only thing that worries me: I may not like his company but he is a marketing genius. Even with his big brother tactics of late, people still see Apple as David and Microsoft as Goliath. But that may be changing!
BTW, 11 days and counting... not a word from Apple about their developer program that I applied for. I just can't work in an environment where developers are expected to bow down to the self proclaimed messiah before you are allowed to publish work in "His" hardware. Now back to my PC to do some real work. Let (coding) freedom reign... that's how most of you on this forum got your prized Qimage and I have to do what works. ;) Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Ernst Dinkla on May 25, 2010, 09:16:51 AM Earlier this month I wrote a short message on the Epson Wide Format list to inform Apple users that Adobe will deliver an application to make profile target printing (sans embedded profile) possible again on OS-X and with normal printer drivers. There have been issues with Adobe/Apple CM and printer drivers on several OS-X versions for some time.
When asked why Adobe couldn't make that possible within its standard application I gave my opinion in another reply. In general stating that Apple doesn't deliver an open platform for developers, not even for Adobe. And Adobe preferring to keep the similarities between applications on two operating systems. Adding that while Adobe's market may be split half on them it is more in the interest of Apple to keep Adobe aboard than the other way around. Just from my perspective as a bystander, not being a developer. Of course this became a Mac<>PC battle, not helped by misinterpreting my messages. I also wrote: >It also sums up why you will not see Qimage appear on OS-X. Why get into trouble like that if the market share is 4-6%?< Mike's article wasn't written at that time. On mouse buttons; my first computers were Acorn models, running Risc Os. Three button mouse. When it became clear that OS couldn't keep pace with color management, modern printer drivers etc I had to switch to a wider spread OS. The Mac interface and one "button"mouse was a horrible experience compared to Risc Os. Windows 95 slightly better. Both certainly not on the UI quality Risc Os had at that time. My limited budget didn't cope with the Mac prices of that period so it became Windows. No regrets whatsoever if I recall the HELP messages on driver compatibility with every hardware, OS-X, and application changes on the Macs. Add the CM issues that are going on for more than a year. As I understand it Android comes in many disguises these days, so you have to be careful on the compatibility of an app on more mobile, tablet models. That ARM is the most common CPU architecture for Android is nice, it has it origins in the Acorn/Risc Os world I was familiar with. It will not take long though that a Windows 7 version will appear on the ARM family too, Microsoft will not overlook recent developments in that architecture. met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla spectral plots of +100 inkjet papers: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Owen Glendower on May 25, 2010, 06:09:29 PM Quote I also wrote: >It also sums up why you will not see Qimage appear on OS-X. Why get into trouble like that if the market share is 4-6%?< Mike's article wasn't written at that time. That's an accurate estimate, Ernst, according to this: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/03/mac_sales_projected_to_grow_26_in_2010_outpacing_pc_market.html The third paragraph refers to a "4 percent projected total market share in 2010." Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on May 25, 2010, 08:18:04 PM The third paragraph refers to a "4 percent projected total market share in 2010." True that article supports what I was saying (and Ernst) but that Apple Insider is funny. It is such an obvious Steve Jobs petting zoo as they continually try to put positive spins on dismal numbers! If people got mad at Apple and sales last quarter were zero for Macs, their headline would be "Apple leads industry with 0% hardware failure rate". Plus half the time they quote things that are obviously negative to the consumer yet they tout it as a positive. For example, this quote: "Even more meaningful, we estimate Apple Macs generating a gross profit-per-unit of nearly $340, which is 2-3x our estimate for its peers" Translation: Macs are overpriced by a factor of 2x to 3x compared to the competition. Yet they spin this as a positive "for investors". And that "26% growth" they talk about in the article. What is that? Someone has "predicted" a 26% growth of that paltry 4% market share? That means that somewhere, somehow, Apple was able to find someone who predicted the massive jump from 4% market share to 5% market share. And the trouble with these predictions are that Apple never updates them so when in actuality it drops from 4% to 3.5%... they don't publish that! I remember when Apple had 6% of the market just a few years ago. At that time they predicted overtaking PC/Windows in just a few years. Now it's 4%. You do the math. :D Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Ernst Dinkla on May 26, 2010, 11:57:32 AM The Animal Farm language of Apple / Steve Jobs stretches from ethical standpoints to marketing policies and anything in between.
If it says OPEN, PROTECT, FREEDOM you get a different content than what it usually associated with them. Another example: http://gawker.com/5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-from-porn?skyline=true&s=i met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla spectral plots of +100 inkjet papers: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Mozz on May 26, 2010, 02:30:50 PM What a shame Mike but I appreciate the inside view from a guy like you. I am a Mac user and love them having left my PC behind several years ago. I keep VMware Fusion on my Mac Pro because I have Qimage and there is nothing to touch it on the Mac that I can find. So... thanks for thinking about it, I love my Mac and Qimage and will stick with it the way it is.
Whatever the company though they are in it for the profit and their attempts at saying they do it for their customers is really only an over-simplistic way of saying they have told us what they think we should believe. Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on June 03, 2010, 01:33:15 PM UPDATE
Now three weeks after I applied to the iPhone Developer program, I log on to developer.apple.com to go to my member account (because I still haven't heard from them and I'm curious). I'm greeted with this message (typical for Apple websites these days): Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. So I wait a few minutes and try again. I got into my account. Now after three weeks, they finally updated my status from "we are reviewing..." to this: We have reviewed your Program Enrollment and have sent you an email asking that you provide us documentation to assist us in verifying your identity. The email describes the type of documentation we'll need you to submit. OK. So let me get this straight. It took three weeks for them to "review" my application which consisted of nothing more than my email address, mailing address, and phone number, just to reply telling me what kind of documents they want to verify a business? REALLY? Like the documents are so different for every business that it takes three weeks just to figure out which documents they need? Even better, they never sent the email they are referring to anyway! And no, I don't run any anti-spam software! I searched every email I've received in that time for "Apple", "iPhone", and "Developer" and they never sent any email requesting documentation. No way they could have gotten the address wrong either because my Apple account is my real email address and that works. So I have no idea what documents they asked for but it doesn't matter anyway as the iMac was returned for a full refund at Best Buy more than a week ago so I have no plans to contact them again. Too bad, really, because they make some innovative hardware. Too bad it is crippled by Apple's own "big brother mentality". If I was planning to still pursue iPhone development, at this point I would click "contact us" to say "Umm. No. You never sent the email." Then what? I wait ANOTHER three weeks for them to NOT send an email? Of course, you would think that instead of just firing off a single email after three weeks and just hoping someone gets it, they'd display the request for documentation on the "Account" tab in my developer account too so if there was a problem with email, you can simply click on "status" under your account to find the information requested. NO! This is Apple. That'd be too easy! Guess I'll just stick to the user side of things (and only on the iPhone) as the Apple development side is just way too torturous. Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: pchiha on June 03, 2010, 10:29:11 PM I too transitioned from the PC world to a mixed PC/Mac environment, and it took me a while to get the hang of a Mac. It's really a different paradigm altogether. And it does take a while. And while nothing is perfect, the Mac has a lot going for it. It isn't really ease of use, just a different way to look at things and I believe that you just can't do it in a few weeks. It's a little like trying real hard to learn the piano in 2 weeks, after having played the guitar for 20 years. It's just different. Can't be done in 2 weeks.
Don't give up on it, just yet. Get your iMac back and just play with it from time to time. Things may look different a year from now... Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on June 04, 2010, 11:35:16 PM I too transitioned from the PC world to a mixed PC/Mac environment, and it took me a while to get the hang of a Mac. It's really a different paradigm altogether. And it does take a while. And while nothing is perfect, the Mac has a lot going for it. It isn't really ease of use, just a different way to look at things and I believe that you just can't do it in a few weeks. It's a little like trying real hard to learn the piano in 2 weeks, after having played the guitar for 20 years. It's just different. Can't be done in 2 weeks. Don't give up on it, just yet. Get your iMac back and just play with it from time to time. Things may look different a year from now... Think about what you are saying. A pro who has been in the business for 30 years "can't learn" how to work the Mac in a few weeks? It's as bad as learning to play a musical instrument? Why bother then? I don't think it's about learning something different: I even like different much of the time. It just doesn't work as well as a PC/Windows. I learned how to use it just fine. The problem was, once I learned how to use it, I found it to have major shortcomings compared to PC/Windows. So the time you are talking about isn't needed just to learn how to operate it. I think it's just that over time, learned helplessness allows you to accept the backward way that the thing works: do it the Mac way or don't do it at all. And BTW, this isn't my first time using a Mac. I've worked with them before and I've used my daughter's school-issued Mac for some time. This was just the first time that I tried to get any decent amount of work done on one, and it was my first time in Snow Leopard as an OS. Honestly, 2 weeks was plenty of time to determine that I was not willing to take a severe hit in productivity trying to conform to the Macs idiosyncrasies and Apple's ridiculously restrictive development program. So no, I will not be going back. I think the Mac is fine for people who just want something "different" for the sake of being different. The Mac commercial spoof that made a run on YouTube a while back called "Apple: crash different" and the 6% market share sure make a lot of sense to me now. I also have no respect whatsoever for Apple's Developer program and their big brother mentality. So learning the Mac wasn't even what sealed its fate with me: it was the fact that they make life pure hell for developers. I care about my customers too much to have Apple step in and impose ridiculous inefficiencies on how I work and even how I'm "allowed" to communicate with my own customers. Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: UltraChrome on June 05, 2010, 04:04:48 PM Tell us what you really think, Mike! :)
Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: John H. on June 06, 2010, 02:48:26 PM Interesting artice in our local Sunday paper.
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/06/06/1072906/recent-actions-force-some-apple.html (http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/06/06/1072906/recent-actions-force-some-apple.html) Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: na goodman on June 13, 2010, 01:29:52 PM I am a Mac user and have experienced the frustrations with CM in Leopard and Snow Leopard that Ernst has mentioned and continues to plague the Mac OS. I have looked at Qimage in hopes that there would be a Mac version but I can see now that there will not. Thanks for at least taking a look and I understand the frustrations from a programming perspective. So, here is my question. Do you think there could be a forum topic specifically dedeicated to using Qimage on a Mac thru VM Fusion or Parallels? This would at least give Mac users an alternative to the OS along with specific support from this forum.
Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on June 13, 2010, 01:49:09 PM I am a Mac user and have experienced the frustrations with CM in Leopard and Snow Leopard that Ernst has mentioned and continues to plague the Mac OS. I have looked at Qimage in hopes that there would be a Mac version but I can see now that there will not. Thanks for at least taking a look and I understand the frustrations from a programming perspective. So, here is my question. Do you think there could be a forum topic specifically dedeicated to using Qimage on a Mac thru VM Fusion or Parallels? This would at least give Mac users an alternative to the OS along with specific support from this forum. I like that idea, but my feeling is that it might just go (mostly) unused. I get the impression I have very few users running Qimage on Macs. Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: na goodman on June 13, 2010, 02:11:12 PM There may be more than you think. And, if there was specific support it may help. Really, I never in a million years would have thought I would ever pose such a question. Just give it a little more thought and maybe some others will chime in the use of it.
Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: admin on June 13, 2010, 02:34:28 PM There may be more than you think. And, if there was specific support it may help. Really, I never in a million years would have thought I would ever pose such a question. Just give it a little more thought and maybe some others will chime in the use of it. I suppose I could start a sticky post called "Qimage on Macs running Fusion/Parallels" and see if it's popular enough to warrant a new forum. Mike Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: na goodman on June 13, 2010, 03:24:01 PM Thanks, sounds good - now I have to update Parallels to run on SL unless someone has reason to think it would run better under VM. Thanks Mike, I hope it shows some promise.
Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Popparazzi on June 13, 2010, 05:49:54 PM I am running Qimage on my Mac Pro via Fusion VM. just runs great never a problem.
After a 51 year career in the Printing Industry, I have no doubt in my mind that Qimage is head and shoulders above anything else available. All my PP work is done via Capture NX2 gives me the best Raw conversion from D300, then print through Qimage to the Epson 7900. Thanks Mike for such a fantastic product. Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Ernst Dinkla on June 20, 2010, 10:40:34 AM I suppose I could start a sticky post called "Qimage on Macs running Fusion/Parallels" and see if it's popular enough to warrant a new forum. Mike Sounds like a good idea and we can guide Mac users on other forums to that post if they show an interest in Qimage. Right now they may feel a bit lost here. met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: daniellouwrens on July 04, 2010, 06:08:48 PM Hi
The inability to modify ANYTHING about the way a Mac works is why I gave up on Mac's many years ago. Cheers Daniel Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: PH Focal-Scape on July 06, 2010, 09:15:51 PM ... I suppose I could start a sticky post called "Qimage on Macs running Fusion/Parallels" and see if it's popular enough to warrant a new forum. Mike And also include Oracle's Virtual Box. Since moving to a Mac I have been running QImage on Win2000 and now Win 7 64bit virtual machines using Virtual Box with all the images residing on the Mac HD. Just a couple of other thoughts: The overall market share of Mac may be "low" compared to PCs but I wonder what the market share is amongst serious photographers, ie the QImage potential market. Mike, what software package do the developers of Firefox, OpenOffice.org and Thunderbird use that makes them multi-platform? Is what they use fundamentally different to the software developers license you were applying for? Peter Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Seth on July 20, 2010, 02:23:08 PM I have to agree with Mike.
Long ago and far, far away I was forced to become an Apple Systems Engineer (along with the PC side) because of the dealer I worked for. We handled both. The attitude at all training was "we're it, we don't need to be compatible with anything." That SE experience made me concentrate on the PC side and never looked back. Apple was the first to put a school program in place in Indiana and they prevailed--for a while. When IBM decided to get into the fray, I wound up installing the first five school computer networks in the state. (Remember Baseband and Token Ring?) Three of those networks replaced existing Apple systems. I guess teachers are teachable too. ;D ::) Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Ernst Dinkla on August 06, 2010, 09:22:35 AM Well if you are accepted by Apple and your application is accepted and profit of it is split with Apple you may see another Apple greed phenomenum:
http://venomousporridge.com/post/908986088/whereto-patent met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla spectral plots of +100 inkjet papers: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: rayw on August 06, 2010, 12:33:05 PM There are now a number of comments, and links from the link that Ernst mentioned http://venomousporridge.com/post/908986088/whereto-patent.
It appears from many of those that Apple are merely using a reference to the future-tap app as something that may benefit from /utilise what they are patenting. They are not 'stealing' anything - at least not in this case - it seems. Fwiw, I'm not a fan-boy of apple, (The only time I have ever actually touched one was about 12 years ago, I crashed it within 5 minutes, and I wasn't even trying), neither am I fan-boy of any other hardware/software/whatever. I was Just trying to get towards the facts, not the hype or sour grapes. Best wishes, Ray Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Ernst Dinkla on August 06, 2010, 03:02:57 PM Ray,
There is a lot to read there and I have not digested all of that. What I see are different opinions on the subject so far and as the patent process still has to develop there will be time for the developer in question to object to this patent application. He wasn't aware of this patent application and so not aware of the similarities between his software and what Apple describes + the fact that they used an image of his software program in that patent application. That Apple uses a more general description for the method his program uses is common patent strategy. There are lawyers to see whether that isn't in conflict. I'm sure Apple has the better lawyers but I wouldn't call this story a hype yet. met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla spectral plots of +100 inkjet papers: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm Title: Re: May 2010: Sour Apples Post by: Seth on September 15, 2010, 02:01:17 PM That Apple uses a more general description for the method his program uses is common patent strategy. There are lawyers to see whether that isn't in conflict. I'm sure Apple has the better lawyers but I wouldn't call this story a hype yet. Ernst- "Better lawyers" brings a flashback to when Apple sued MS for infringement on icons they (Apple) "owned." That was until MS proved that Aplle stole them from DEC. ::) |