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September 2009: Digital Photography Reality Check
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        Qimage.  
        Now we turn our nose up at anything under about 10 megapixels.  
        Seems like now might be a good time for a reality check!Visit just about any online 
        forum related to digital photography and you'll find what amount to 
        "digital gangs" where people hang out and talk about the latest features 
        found on some model camera or printer and how their equipment is better 
        than the equipment used by that "other gang" using a different brand.  
        Occasionally, one gang member will break etiquette and go visit another 
        gangs territory, sometimes just to "troll" and start trouble.  For 
        some of us who started our passion for digital photography early, we 
        remember the old days of the Nikon Coolpix 990 or the Olympus D600L or 
        maybe even the first "real" consumer camera that I can remember: the 
        Kodak DC40.  Some of us took great pictures back then.  With 
        all the talk online about "14 megapixels just isn't enough, you need 21 
        megapixels", it makes you wonder how we ever survived back in those 
        archaic times around a decade ago.  I was in a local restaurant 
        lately where one of our lunch buddies sells large (13x19 and larger) 
        prints that hang on the wall, mostly of vintage cars.  They all 
        look like they came from a recent pro camera but when you ask the 
        photographer "What did you use for that one, a Canon 5D Mark II?" the 
        answer you get is "Nope.  I shot that one with my old CP990".  
        That's a 3 MP camera and some people would swear you could barely get a 
        decent 8x10 at that resolution yet back then, when we had to, we found a 
        way.  We produced 13x19 and even larger prints from those photos 
        with the aid of sophisticated resampling software like 
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        Seems almost surreal that 
        just a decade ago we were working with digital cameras that were pushing 
        the limits trying to reach the 2 megapixel boundary!  Since that 
        time, the "more is better" mentality has driven the digital photography 
        industry and in 2009 our high end consumer dSLR cameras sit comfortably 
        at around 12 to 14 megapixels.  Looking back to what we did with 
        our photos a decade ago and the prints we were able to produce just a 
        few years ago with only 5 to 6 megapixels has to make you wonder.  
        How many pixels do you really need?  People spend lots of money 
        selling old cameras and buying new ones just to get a few more 
        megapixels and a little less image noise.  What is that really 
        doing for you?  
        
        Aside from some pretty significant 
        improvements that are starting to appear in the mirrorless dSLR designs, 
        upgrading your camera every year or two just doesn't make sense. Sure, you may be able to squeak by with a little lower 
        light or produce a photo that, when examined under a 10x loupe, 
        has a little less noise but what did that do for the overall photograph 
        and was it worth $1000 to upgrade?  Let's do the reality check.  
        Most of us print 4x6 photos for family snapshots and print some 5x7 or 
        8x10's for the mantle.  Some of us who are a little better at 
        photography might print some 11x17 prints or 13x19 prints to frame and 
        display on a wall.  Very few of us need enough pixels to fill a 
        billboard nor are we such poor photographers that we have to do extreme 
        cropping to get a decent print.  For those of us who have printers 
        big enough to even print a 13x19, how many pixels do we need?  
        Well, you'll find plenty of references to the old myth that you need 300 
        PPI for "photo quality".  To get a razor sharp 4x6 that passes all 
        scrutiny without any resampling when holding the print up to your nose 
        and examining it, that might be true.  Fortunately we have programs 
        that can resample photos automatically and we don't normally walk up to 
        a 13x19 print and examine it with a magnifying glass so we can get away 
        with resolution a lot lower than 300 PPI when we print large posters.  
        That's how the old CP990 pulls off poster size prints. In reality, an old 6 
        megapixel camera running 3000x2000 resolution would produce that 13x19 
        print at just under 160 PPI.  With resampling, that 160 PPI looks 
        great on a 13x19 print.  A 12 megapixel camera coming in at around 
        4200x2800 pixels could reproduce the same 13x19 photo at about 220 PPI.  
        Would the print from the 12 megapixel camera look better/sharper than 
        the print from the 6 megapixel camera?  That depends a bit on the 
        subject matter but in general, yes, the 12 megapixel camera would 
        produce a sharper print at that size.  But here's the question you 
        should be asking: how does that change the overall photo?  Does it 
        look sharper if you walk up to it and examine it closely?  
        Probably; a little.  Does it look sharper from a distance where 
        people normally view a 13x19 print?  I doubt it!  Does that 
        really deter from the photo, other than those who are looking for pixels 
        or trying to show off a particular camera? The bottom line here is 
        that more than the number of pixels, noise characteristics of the 
        camera, or camera features, the most important thing is the photo 
        itself.  We're at 12 megapixels and above now on most affordable 
        consumer dSLR cameras.  That's probably enough for anyone printing 
        just about any size photo short of the few people who have specialized 
        needs such as printing large panoramas or billboards for commercial use.  
        Stop obsessing about your pixels and go take some great photos!  
        Let the software engineers (like me) obsess over what to do with those 
        pixels so you don't have to.  :-)   Printers, ink, and 16 bit printing 
        Another trend that is gaining some (albeit slow) steam 
        is 16 bit (per channel) printers.  I've said for years that in 
        99.9% of cases, the benefit of 16 bit printing is something that will 
        never be seen in practice.  I'm in the business of designing 
        software for photographic printing and I have yet to see an example 
        where someone can demonstrate the difference between 8 bit per channel 
        (24 bit) printing and 16 bit per channel (48 bit) printing other than 
        maybe a slight color shift due to the fact that they are two different 
        drivers with different settings.  Some have tried, but I've turned 
        right around and produced the same print through the normal 8 
        bit-per-channel driver that was indistinguishable from the 16 bit print.  
        That said, the manufacturers will continue to tout it and with the 
        release of Windows 7 and what Microsoft calls "HD imaging", you're going 
        to be hearing a lot more about 16 bit printing.  Why?  Because 
        "more is better" and it sells.  Reality check time! Your monitor is 8 bits per channel (24 bits).  Even 
        when you select 32 bits for your display type, that's still 24 bit color 
        with a mask or alpha channel which doesn't add to the color depth.  
        Does the fact that your monitor works at 8 bits per channel bother you?  
        Have you ever noticed any banding or color problems as a result?  
        If so, they likely came from a source other than the fact that the 
        monitor is running in 8 bits per channel!  Printers are now running 
        8, 9, 10, or more inks just to try to keep up with the color gamut 
        available on your monitor and that works fine at 8 bits per channel so 
        why do you need 16 bits per channel on the printer?  Well, in 
        reality, there are some areas of color where your printer's color gamut 
        exceeds that of your monitor like yellow and magenta.  To actually 
        benefit from that extra gamut using a 16 bit printer, however, ALL of 
        the following must happen: 
          
        First, you have to take a photo of something that has 
        super saturated yellow or magenta.  Okay.  Let's say you've 
        found a bright yellow or magenta flower that fits the bill.
        Next, your camera has to be able to record the colors in 
        that wide gamut.  Camera systems (the sensor plus the processing 
        software) have gamuts more narrow than most printers in the 
        yellow/magenta region but let's just say the yellow/magenta flower you 
        are shooting just happens to have the right shade of yellow to be within 
        the gamut of the photo you captured.
        Now you have to have taken the picture in raw photo 
        mode.  If you didn't, your JPEG will be tagged with either sRGB or 
        Adobe RGB, both of which are smaller (in some areas) than your printer's 
        gamut.
        Next, you have to process your raw photo to a large 
        enough color space to hold the color gamut and you must produce a 48 bit 
        image.  Most people use ProPhoto as their large color space (see 
        the next section).
        Finally, and here's the difficult part to understand 
        sometimes, you must remember that a 24 bit image can cover the exact 
        same amount of gamut as a 48 bit image!  There is no difference in 
        the color gamut that a 24 bit versus 48 bit image can use.  The 
        difference is in the smoothness of that coverage.  So to notice any 
        difference in the prints, the printer's handling of the 24 bit image 
        must be such that banding shows up in areas of slowly changing color 
        like blue skies.  That normally never happens unless you use a 
        color space that is larger than it needs to be in the first place 
        (again, covered in the next section). The reality check here is that all of the above almost 
        never happen at once.  If you think you need 16 bit per channel 
        printing and you already have a 16 bit printer, just print your photo 
        through the special 16 bit driver that came with your printer and then 
        reprint it through the normal 8 bit per channel Windows driver and see 
        if you can see a difference.  If you find a difference other than 
        some slight color cast or other shift that is likely due to the two 
        drivers having different settings, it is likely due to a problem 
        somewhere else in the workflow rather than the bit depth of the printer 
        driver. The bottom line for printer is, if you think you need a 
        16 bit per channel printer or a printer that is advertised as having a 
        16 bit driver, hang on to your wallet for a while longer.  Most of 
        us have been printing astounding photographs from printers with typical 
        8 bit printer drivers for a long time.  Don't waste your money on a 
        printer just to get 16 bit printing when you'll likely see no visible 
        difference in your prints as a result.  Of course, there are other 
        reasons for wanting/needing a new printer but you get the idea.   Large color spaces 
        prior article on 16 bit printers.  
        Some people have started processing all their raw photos into very large 
        gamut color spaces like ProPhoto RGB because they are afraid if they 
        don't, some of their colors will be clipped.  In reality, we've 
        been processing and printing photos from Adobe RGB for many years 
        without worrying that our photos might be "missing" some colors.  
        With newer wider gamut printers running lots of inks, isn't a wide gamut 
        color space needed?  Simply put, not in most cases.  Again, a 
        lot has to happen to get a "wide gamut color" to go from image capture 
        to print.  You have to have a subject that has a super saturated, 
        bright color.  Your camera and developing software has to be able 
        to process that color: simply stated, the camera itself has to have the 
        gamut to pick it up.  And lastly, the color in question has to 
        reside in the two or three (usually small) areas of your printer's color 
        gamut that exceed a typical color space like Adobe RGB.  I won't 
        even go into the pitfalls of ICM color management and how there are many 
        compromises being made there that affect this subject: that subject 
        alone is big enough for another article.I'm not going to spend a 
        lot of time on this subject as I've covered it in detail before in my 
         Where's the reality check?  
        Process your raw photos to Adobe RGB developed photos and print them.  
        Then process them to ProPhoto RGB and print those.  Do you see a 
        difference?  You'd probably win the lottery before you came upon a 
        combination where you could see a difference.  And using a very 
        large color space can actually cause color banding where none would 
        exist when using a smaller color space like Adobe RGB.  Simply put, 
        if you are like most people and you use sRGB or Adobe color space for 
        you photos, 16 bit printing is of no real benefit.  If, however, 
        you are one of the "purists" who insist on using ProPhoto color space 
        for your images, 16 bit printing may actually improve your photos 
        by providing smoother color gradations.   My advice?  Don't complicate 
        your workflow by using specialized (over-sized) color spaces unless you 
        have a specific need to do so.  Most of us don't have such a need!   Summary: Reality check on the reality check! 
        Okay, I admit, I'm 
        oversimplifying a bit in this article but that was my intention: to 
        bring people back to reality and encourage photographers to get back to 
        what is important and not get caught up in the "mine is bigger than 
        yours" digital gang wars.  The reality check on my reality check is 
        that, while many people may get caught up in the technology wars while 
        forgetting that we are trying to make great photos, I'm not advocating 
        halting forward progress!  Do I think manufacturers should never 
        try for more than 12 megapixels?  Of course not.  Do I think 
        16 bit printing is useless and manufacturers should quit touting the 
        benefits?  Definitely not!  The reality is that we have 
        equipment now that can produce incredible photos and I want to get it 
        across that these new technologies don't make you a better photographer 
        and often times don't make visibly superior photos or prints!  
        These technologies are simply stepping stones to better things down the 
        road.  Don't let them stall you from doing what is most important: 
        getting great photographs!   Mike Chaney |  
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						| Fred A | 
								|  | « Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 07:10:44 PM » |  | 
 
 Excellent article Mike.Thanks!
 
 I read it and came away with loads of info, but the main point/issue I got out of it was that to get better prints, instead of buying the latest and greatest, I would be better off honing my photographic technique (assuming I had any).
 
 Fred
 Thanks again!
 
 
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						| Seth | 
								|  | « Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 08:27:20 PM » |  | 
 
  author=Mike Chaney link=topic=308.msg1893#msg1893 date=1251477927
 For some of us who started our passion for digital photography early, we remember the old days of the Nikon Coolpix 990 or the Olympus D600L or maybe even the first "real" consumer camera that I can remember: the Kodak DC40.
 Mike- Oooooooooohmygod, you're trying to antiquate me!!  No drugs and you gave me flash backs.  IF you don't mind, I would like to relate how both those cameras(CP990 and DC40) helped "change" photographic history.  |  
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								|  | « Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 01:08:55 AM » |  | 
 
 Thanks for the great article Mike! Let the software engineers (like me) obsess over what to do with those pixels so you don't have to.  :-)  ...and this is why I ordered Qimage this afternoon, as well as the great group on your forum. Lj |  
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								|  | « Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 12:39:53 PM » |  | 
 
 Mike, thanks for the great article.
 It's an article I'm sure I will read several time!
 
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								|  | « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 01:11:41 AM » |  | 
 
 Hi Mike, Your software is just great, and I have enjoyed all the articles read to date. In this case I would like to offer some of my own input that somewhat seems to run against the grain of this piece. For me the constant improvements with cameras, computer software and printers has really helped  noticeably. My reality check has been that even with my limited expertise the photos are now of a much higher quality, the software precesses things much better and easier and the printers do a great job on making up for my short comings. I look forward to improving my knowledge and skills, especially with Qimage, but my argument is that the upgrades across the board are helping very noticeably and I find myself befitting by purchasing the newest technology I can afford. That is my reality check.
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								|  | « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 12:41:35 PM » |  | 
 
 My first DSLR, the Nikon D70, still serves me well. Since my target print sizes are typically 12x12 or 11x14 or less to fit photo albums I'm under no pressure to upgrade to higher resolution cameras. Eversince I bought my first Epson Stylus IIs, a primitive first generation color printer, I began the quest for an ideal printing vehicle. This proves to be a long challenging journey. Image capture has been made easy with the digital camera, perhaps a little more time consuming with film and scanning, but printing is quite another animal.
 After going through several Epsons up to my last two R1800's, I'm now settled with the HP Designjet 30, a dye based printer, for its reliable operation, ie. no clogs whatsoever. And to get the best print from this printer I use Wasatch SoftRIP with a Gretag Macbeth profiling package to print on Monadnoch 100 LB cover paper coated with Inkaid or Golden Digital Grounds (I don't have to worry about a dwindling supply of swellable polymer anymore - there are now only two sources: HP's Premium Plus and Ilford Classic).
 
 So I doubt it if I'll upgrade my camera any time soon, and it looks like I can take a breather in the enduring quest for a printing approach that dries quickly, accepts archival coatings well, and tough enough to endure the clamping and hammering as it goes through my album binding process, and the print engine that does not consume 90% of my time to get it to work properly.
 
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for listening to mine,
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						| Terry-M | 
								|  | « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 02:19:25 PM » |  | 
 
 And to get the best print from this printer I use Wasatch SoftRIP Have you ever tried using Qimage, you can use the trial version for 30days? A fraction of the cost too    Terry. |  
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								|  | « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 04:28:07 PM » |  | 
 
 Actually I do use QImage, as well as Photoshop depending on the current digital imaging requirement. I may use the QImage upsampling engine when I need to. Then I import the edited image into the RIP and print in CMYK mode.
 If I stay with the HP Premium Plus paper which is designed specifically for the Designjet 30/90/130 printers, I don't need SoftRIP. I like my homemade paper much better for its surface characteristic, and I find the RIP gives me much better output due to its ability to linearize and control ink limit for each CMYK channel.
 
 So I need the RIP to create CMYK profiles and then only for the printing phase. And yes, I agree that QImage is very affordable for what it can do.
 
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								|  | « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2009, 12:31:25 AM » |  | 
 
 Thanks Mike, very well said and so true. I am a digital artist and I also print images and do art reproduction for other people for a living. I come up against the "300 ppi" myth all the time. Yet, in practice, I have produced amazing prints on canvas from point-and-shoot cameras at effective resolutions as low as 79 ppi. By "amazing", I mean I didn't expect it to look as good as it did and the client was delighted. And those prints were done with Qimage.
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								|  | « Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 02:30:43 AM » |  | 
 
 Great column Mike and good reality check.  My first digi-cam captured 1.5M images which produced very nice 8x10 prints until I learned that such a thing wasn't possible without many, many more megapixels.    Ralph |  
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								|  | « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 08:47:50 PM » |  | 
 
 I've been printing up to 20x30 images from my 6mb Canon Rebel XT for years. Been winning camera club awards and have been selling some images, too. Use Qimage for up to 13x19, and send out for the larger ones. Lots of complements, and not one complaint! 
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								|  | « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2009, 02:09:24 AM » |  | 
 
 Well said, Mike! I've been doing this for a long time and agree strongly with your position. I like to stay "current" with my camera but know that this really isn't necessary but it's still fun! It's a different issue, but I love your new Flashpipe software. The convenience of sending photos to my networked computer in the back room is great and I feel this convenient "backup" my save my neck one of these days! Many thanks for your work on this.
 
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								|  | « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2009, 01:30:11 AM » |  | 
 
 Nice article, I think that it points out a few things which have been evident for a while, if overlooked. 6MP is indeed enough for many purposes, and except for those that really need interchangeable lenses, a typical P&S is probably just fine. 
 The other thing though is that it's not just that more pixels aren't necessarily necessary, it's that we're going to the point now where the sensors are over resolving what the lens is capable of providing, and not just on cheaper lenses, mind you, but at some point we're probably going to hit the point where anything less than L quality is going to not really make the cut.
 
 But then again, I'm sticking with my 10D because I really need better glass and by the time I upgrade my body, the much more important issue of noise on the sensor is going to be so much better than it is today. Even now I've seen some ISO 1600 images which were to my eye usable, not necessarily perfect, but somewhat better than my ISO 400 images off my current gear.
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