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Author Topic: Does Flashpipe Have This Downloader Pro Feature?  (Read 50700 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 02:03:37 PM »

In the beach example, I was just pointing out that the maximum number of folders you would ever get from FlashPipe is one per camera.  Since each camera might have shots from different dates, the date ranges may be different but if the clock is set properly on the camera, the date you are looking for would be in the range specified.  One camera might have 2009-06-18..2009-08-03, a second one might have 2009-08-01..2009-08-03, and a third might just have 2009-08-03 because they only shot on one day.  But you'd still only have find one folder per camera.  If a new folder is created for each day, you'd have a folder for each day that had pictures from each camera: potentially dozens of folder.

But like Terry said, you can select the folder or "lock it in".  And even better, if you have a multi-card reader, you could plug all three cards in from all three cameras and if you download from all three at once, FlashPipe will create ONE folder that shows the date range of all photos from all three cards at once: so you'll get one folder for all three cards!  I think the flexibility is there: you just need to figure out how best to tailor it to your own unique situation/workflow.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2009, 02:11:48 PM »

In the case you describe, I would then switch off the sub-folder option in Settings and select the existing folder in the Folder column of the output table.
Thus, there is total flexibility in this case and you can choose what to do; Cool Not everyone would want to do as you suggest automatically.  Shocked
Terry.
There is flexibility within the confines of the limited choices available within FP, yes, but TOTAL flexibility? Absolutely not!
Even the process you suggest involves extra steps and searching through a list of folders to work out what range the original images fitted into.  Hardly intuitive or easy.
Have you actually used DLP? That is total flexibilty in how you want to name your files, folder structure, shoot date, download date, camera name, location, etc.etc.  All in one click!
Look at the screens below of a few of the options available.



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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2009, 02:16:34 PM »

If a new folder is created for each day, you'd have a folder for each day that had pictures from each camera: potentially dozens of folder.
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No you wouldn't!
Regardless of the number of cameras involved in DLP using the simple structure I use, if the beach trip was 1 day you would have 1 sub-folder with all the images in it.  If the beach trip was 3 days you would have 3 subfolders in a neat and obvious structure.  The number of cameras is irrelevant in my structure.  You could of course make DLP to do it in the way you like, i.e. by download date, by camera or what ever you want.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2009, 03:04:26 PM »

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but TOTAL flexibility? Absolutely not!
Well, you can type in any folder name you like  Roll Eyes
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Look at the screens below of a few of the options available
You call that intuitive and what about all those clicks for the tick boxes  Wink

BTW, suggest you use jpeg's for attachments, they are then readable on the forum screen.

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2009, 03:11:29 PM »

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but TOTAL flexibility? Absolutely not!
Well, you can type in any folder name you like  Roll Eyes
Yes, but every time!
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You call that intuitive and what about all those clicks for the tick boxes  Wink
I didn't say it was intuitive, this is the word that gets bandied around about FP.
Setting it up takes approximately 1 minute, and then you never have to type anything in ever again. Extremely painless. (Sorry, don't know what you mean about tick boxes.)
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2009, 03:29:34 PM »

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Setting it up takes approximately 1 minute, and then you never have to type anything in ever again.

There are rows that you can make for each transfer condition that you may like, regardless of how unique any one of those might be.
As Terry said, (and this is the main point) once you set up a row to do a special transfer with a specially named folder, and have a date param. set, you can turn that off when not in use, and on when needed.
Make row after row of your oddest setups. Flashpipe will remember them and use them only when you switch them on. !
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2009, 07:50:36 AM »

There are rows that you can make for each transfer condition that you may like, regardless of how unique any one of those might be.
As Terry said, (and this is the main point) once you set up a row to do a special transfer with a specially named folder, and have a date param. set, you can turn that off when not in use, and on when needed.
Make row after row of your oddest setups. Flashpipe will remember them and use them only when you switch them on. !
Sorry Fred, I don't understand what you mean at all.  Could you explain what you mean in more detail. At the moment, I can't see how FP has any flexibility without manual intervention each time to rename or choose destination folders.
I'm trying to see how FP could help me, but, apart from the multiple destinations, at the moment I can't.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2009, 09:46:48 AM »

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Sorry Fred, I don't understand what you mean at all.  Could you explain what you mean in more detail. At the moment

I will try to be clearer.
I have attached three snaps to the message.
Using them, I want to show you that you can make many rows with destination folders all set to accept the new uploads. I left the right hand columns blank since they would be filled in by the user, on a use by use basis.
You can see the first row is filled in as the shots were being uploaded at the time of the shoot to a new folder called Rodeo-2008.
You can name the right hand column as you see fit.
I can do 2009-rodeo for this year, or Rodeo-2009, or the whole date with Month Day and Year... I can type into the last box and have the auto date too.
I can have Flashpipe  auto name my sub folders for me.
I could go on and on, but the point is that you can set up rows, many rows, of preset destinations and file types, and leave these rows turned off until you need them.
You can set the right side column to auto date (see snap 3)  and it will always be current. You can add the event to the date.

I could go on and on.... but you can see that setting the rows to various jobs, and again more rows for various destinations, you have the versitility to make Flashpipe do anything you want, and it will keep those settings so you don't have to do it every time.

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2009, 11:11:38 AM »

Thanks Fred, I understand more.
However,
1) I'm afraid I still don't see how the common Y/M/D format can be accommodated without manual intervention each time I want to download. Tell me, how can I use the Y/M/D folder structure in FP with multiple dates on the card?
2) Also, I don't want to name folders by events.  What if there are multiple events on the card?  That is what DAM is for.  I want a simple STRUCTURE to my folders that can logically be drilled down into if I ever need to access the files outside of the DAM environment - which very rarely happens.
3) I can see (I think!) what you guys are saying, but I'm afraid I just cannot see the advantage here for me.  I mean, I never, and I mean never, have to go anywhere near DLP except when I reinstall Windows. I just insert my card, and all the photos are downloaded automatically to my pre-defined structure.

I say again, different people have different ways of organising their photo library, and whatever works for you may not work for me and vice versa.  However, I wish that Mike would consider putting in the kind of structure that I and many others use (and have mentioned on this forum) as an option in order to keep everyone happy, because I love certain features of FP especially the multiple destinations which I feel at the moment is the only feature of FP that can't be replicated in DLP.  (Although I would be happy to be proven wrong on that one!)
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2009, 11:24:28 AM »

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Tell me, how can I use the Y/M/D folder structure in FP with multiple dates on the card?

Simply go into Settings and turn on the date range feature.
There are so may options to set to please as many as possible.

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2009, 11:45:42 AM »

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Tell me, how can I use the Y/M/D folder structure in FP with multiple dates on the card?
Simply go into Settings and turn on the date range feature.
There are so may options to set to please as many as possible.
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Sorry Fred, but I'm obviously being incredibly stupid about this.  Thanks for your tolerance.
I can only see file rename options, and an option to download to subfolders based on a range. I can't see how the Year/Month/Day folder structure can be supported by FP despite what you say.
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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2009, 12:02:21 PM »

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I can't see how the Year/Month/Day folder structure can be supported
It's likely my fault for not explaining better.
The subfolder naming when turned on Automatic, It says Create Subfolders by date.
Then if RANGE is turned on, it will show in the Subfolder name that the shots on the card were taken on dates from (10-15-2009 to 10-17-2009)
Sorry, I just can't explain it any better than that.
Maybe someone else can do better?

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2009, 12:48:51 PM »

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I can't see how the Year/Month/Day folder structure can be supported
It's likely my fault for not explaining better.
The subfolder naming when turned on Automatic, It says Create Subfolders by date.
Then if RANGE is turned on, it will show in the Subfolder name that the shots on the card were taken on dates from (10-15-2009 to 10-17-2009)
Sorry, I just can't explain it any better than that.
Maybe someone else can do better?
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Thanks again, Fred.  That is not what I am asking for.  My (and many others) folder structure is Y/M/D. For example, in my structure, photos from today would go automatically in DLP to 2009/2009_10/2009_10_18.
If I have photos on the card from today, yesterday and the day before, the images would go to 3 folders as above but + 2009_10_17 and 2009_10_16.
You said earlier that FP can do this. All I am trying to do is see how?
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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2009, 02:08:10 PM »

Thanks again, Fred.  That is not what I am asking for.  My (and many others) folder structure is Y/M/D. For example, in my structure, photos from today would go automatically in DLP to 2009/2009_10/2009_10_18.
If I have photos on the card from today, yesterday and the day before, the images would go to 3 folders as above but + 2009_10_17 and 2009_10_16.
You said earlier that FP can do this. All I am trying to do is see how?

In the above example, you have pictures from 2009-10-18 so as soon as you insert the card, FlashPipe's subfolder will already say "2009-10-18".  That's the only day for which you have pictures on the card so your subfolder will automatically show that.  So set the "To Folder" to 2009/2009_10, click "Go" and you're done.

The next time you download, you might have pictures from October 24.  So you insert your card and click "Go" an you're done.  Your pictures will go into 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24.

The only differences using that method between FP and DL Pro are:

  • Obviously you'd have to change your "To Folder" once a month
  • If you have say three days of photos, DL Pro will create three new folders: 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24, 2009/2009_10/2009-10-25, and 2009/2009_10/2009-10-26.  FP will create one folder: 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24..2009-10-26.

That's based on what you like to do.  For me, splitting 2009 into months is just extra work all the way around.  I don't use DAM software because I don't need it.  I create ONE folder for the year and I let the download date(s) dictate the folder.  So in my 2009 folder I'll have a folder named 2009-10-24..2009-10-26 automatically: that tells me that I downloaded photos from that date range.  Sometimes I'll add a description to that manually like 2009-10-24..2009-10-26-Siesta-Key so I can look at that and tell that the folder contains photos from those three days and that the subject of the photos was Siesta Key Beach.  It's elegant, simple, and most importantly deliberate!  I haven't arbitrarily created three new folders just because there were three days worth of photos on the card.  It creates one folder that automatically shows the date range of the photos in that folder and after the download, I can make a conscious decision as to whether or not they NEED to be split further.  If I came back from a three day beach trip with the family, I'd likely leave all three days in one folder: no sense splitting them so I can only see one day at a time when I want to print all photos of Uncle Jesse playing with the kids on the beach for him to take home.  If one of the three days was actually a boating event that I want to separate, I can make that decision to split those to another folder (and I can do that easily based on file date) but that should be a conscious decision, not a decision made by a program automatically.  But that's just me.  Wink

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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2009, 02:29:03 PM »

In the above example, you have pictures from 2009-10-18 so as soon as you insert the card, FlashPipe's subfolder will already say "2009-10-18".  That's the only day for which you have pictures on the card so your subfolder will automatically show that.  So set the "To Folder" to 2009/2009_10, click "Go" and you're done.

The next time you download, you might have pictures from October 24.  So you insert your card and click "Go" an you're done.  Your pictures will go into 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24.

The only differences using that method between FP and DL Pro are:

  • Obviously you'd have to change your "To Folder" once a month
  • If you have say three days of photos, DL Pro will create three new folders: 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24, 2009/2009_10/2009-10-25, and 2009/2009_10/2009-10-26.  FP will create one folder: 2009/2009_10/2009-10-24..2009-10-26.

That's based on what you like to do.  For me, splitting 2009 into months is just extra work all the way around.  I don't use DAM software because I don't need it.  I create ONE folder for the year and I let the download date(s) dictate the folder.  So in my 2009 folder I'll have a folder named 2009-10-24..2009-10-26 automatically: that tells me that I downloaded photos from that date range.  Sometimes I'll add a description to that manually like 2009-10-24..2009-10-26-Siesta-Key so I can look at that and tell that the folder contains photos from those three days and that the subject of the photos was Siesta Key Beach.  It's elegant, simple, and most importantly deliberate!  I haven't arbitrarily created three new folders just because there were three days worth of photos on the card.  It creates one folder that automatically shows the date range of the photos in that folder and after the download, I can make a conscious decision as to whether or not they NEED to be split further.  If I came back from a three day beach trip with the family, I'd likely leave all three days in one folder: no sense splitting them so I can only see one day at a time when I want to print all photos of Uncle Jesse playing with the kids on the beach for him to take home.  If one of the three days was actually a boating event that I want to separate, I can make that decision to split those to another folder (and I can do that easily based on file date) but that should be a conscious decision, not a decision made by a program automatically.  But that's just me.  Wink

Mike
Mike, the simple answer is that FP can't do what I want to do and DLP can. It's as simple as that.
There is no point in arguing whether one method is better than the other.  I think you're system is a mess, and you think mine is!  That's the way it is.
The simple fact though is that for me, DLP and LR offer a much more streamlined and simple approach to downloading and classifying.  You can't see that, and that's fine, but what I've been asking since nearly the beginning of this thread is could you not keep everyone happy and implement what I and others have been asking for as an option?
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