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Hp 9800 printer still works fine, old computer died, newer computer running windows 7, no drivers available from hp except win7  built in USB drivers.  In qimage  ultimate, no choices show in icc  profiles.  Options I am considering:
1 new printer, but I like to print wide format (13") so this could be expensive and would probably go to pigment inknow printer if I did this.
2 backtrack operating system  to XP  where full suite driver software still available  but not sure I still have a functional  os  disc.
3 try to custom profile with hp papers I have using the profile prism 6.02 that I still have.
4 other options I haven't thought of

I would  appreciate any serious recommendations offered....thank you in advance.
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I looked up the printer. I might be wrong but it appears to be 2004 model with a tri color ink cartridge and a Black.
No drivers available.
1) Ask around on this forum and others if anyone has a driver install file for W7
2) Based on the noted ink prices as well as the age of the printer,. I (myself) would look for a new printer.
Many excellent choices in Dye ink or Pigment inks with 13" capability.
New printers, all come with printer profiles. Even your profile prism is a few versions old.
There are so many wonderful paper selections either in the same brand as the printer you select or other brands, built into the new drivers.

Just some thoughts.
Fred

Thanks for the reply Fred.  I have been out of the loop for a while....about 7-8 years at least.  The hp  9180 was hp's new pigment printer when I dropped out....now it's discontinued .  Is your canon pro 100 dye or pigment?  Your post about it sounds like it does a great job.

I had an Epson pigment 1280 followed by another Epson pigment R 1800, followed by an R2000  Prior to the 1280, I had an Epson Dye ink printer. I already forgot the model
So I went a lot of years using Pigment ink because I was led to believe the prints will last into the year 2517.
I was really not thinking.... The  Dye inks now have improved their longevity to last until your great grand children are Gray.
The up side is that the prints that  come out of my Pro 100 Canon actually take my breath away, and the random people that see the prints, hold their breath asking if they can have a copy. The DYE INK is  like this:    You were told that you must have no fat ice cream,. The "other" ice cream will give you Cholesterol and you will die. Then a new study. You wont die. So you go and buy a half gallon of Bryers real premium ice cream. You close your eyes as you taste the wonderment of real ice cream again.
So it is when prints come out of my Pro 100 with Dye ink.
I have said enough I think.
Ask a few others about it.  They are listening.
Hey you guys with the Canon Pro 100 or any other decent dye ink printer. Are you happy?

Fred

After considering your comments and experience with pigment printers, I am now considering primarily between the Canon pro 100 and the Epson artisan 1430.   I want to be able to print large  don't care for glossy paper. Want to be able to use art papers and be able to print black  and  white  as well as vibrant color prints.  If all else between these two is essentially the same then cost of ink will come into play.

My experience with pigment ink printers is good. My old R800 did eventually pack up due to clogging but my R2000 (3years old) has been very good, I regularly print at around A3 size for competitions.
I always use the manufacturer's genuine inks!
My criteria for a good print is "does it match what I see on the screen" whether it's a high contrast, low contrast, bright or dark image, vibrant or otherwise. This depends not only on the printer but on good colour management (monitor and printer profiles) properly applied. The better photo printers usually have more than 6 inks (6 being a minimum in my view) so probably have a wider gamut.
I don't like glossy paper either for big prints especially, and use Ilford Smooth Pearl much of the time. "Art" papers are expensive, I have tried them in A4 size, they are nice for some images. I use Epson Archival Matte too, it's cheap and produces a very nice print.
You need to check what paper types are available in the driver, art papers may be missing although independent makes may specify a matte paper for their profiles. Hope that helps too.
Terry

Tooth doc,
I gave it some time for opinions to be heard.
Contrary to the pigment ink advocate, I specifically used the "No Fat ice cream" analogy to illustrate the point.
While under the spell of the no fat ice cream people, we were constantly barraged with "Oh it tastes just like regular ice cream. You can't tell the difference."
You want to believe it, so you go along.
Until that day when you cast off the pall of the fat free scare, and reclaim the real taste of ice cream, real ice cream.
So it is with the Dye inks

I rarely print on glossy. I love semi gloss and Luster. I also have some decent quality matte that looks good.
One thing to keep in mind. My dye ink prints have to cure. They need a good few hour for the print to achieve its perfect maturity.
Out of the prnter a bit too dark. Next morning, oh oh oh... I can't believe it.
Fred

You are all gonna hate me for this but I agree with both Terry and Fred.  My first two printers were dye inks - an HP and an Epson - and the prints were spectacular - but faded very quickly. And while it's true - as Fred says - that the dye inks have gotten more fade resistant - it's also true that the pigment inks have  gotten more colorful, brighter, and now have at least some of that wow factor originally the domain only of the dye inks. My old EPSON 2200 (pigment) printer (deceased 2012) was not even usable on glossy or luster papers  but was unbeatable on rag or matte finishes.  The newer Epson pigment inks (R3000 now in use - but there are even newer models) do quite nicely on glossy papers and luster - I especially like how they come out on something like Exhibition Fiber, or any of several other F type gloss papers.  But for years my standard paper has been - and continues to be - the Moab Entrada Rag.(bright or natural) used with the Matte Black ink.   It gives great colors, contrast, doesn't fade at all, is relatively inexpensive, and as a bonus is double sided. I do think that for gloss, semi-gloss and luster papers, the dye prints still have a distinct edge - even if the difference is quite a bit less than it was a decade ago.

Soon I will have one printer of each type - and will be able to do side by side comparisons.  Certain scenes and types of pictures - I really want that color spectacle - but I will continue to use matte pigment inks for portraits and most people oriented pictures.

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