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1  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: dark prints on: May 26, 2023, 04:38:19 AM
ok... possible I didn't explain it properly with the proper dialog.
Unfortunately I cant use a snarky reply as if I were retarded, but that's how I took it anyway.
Maybe a better reply might be the proper settings to use to solve this problem.
Everything is as you stated, and the printer isnt broken, they are new with OEM inks.
If I were in the darkroom making real prints, there would not be issue on what to do.

Everything is correct - calibration. Icm paper profile.
The gamma and density on print is way off from the monitor [doesn't matter which monitor or computer i use].

If there were an internal way to adjust these elements without affecting the main view it would make printing much easier. The properties tab to the printer driver has a manual adjust but the adjust is limited and that is just a bandaid anyway

regards.



You're not making any sense.  You darken your monitor, edit the image so it looks correct on the monitor, and then by virtue of the fact that you post it online, it looks "off" online?  On the same monitor?  That you just calibrated to that same image?  How could an image that you just adjusted to that same monitor look off just by virtue of the fact that you put it online?  You're viewing it online on the same monitor, right?  And even so, web browsers are not color managed.  The best you can do is convert to sRGB and hope it looks OK online.

Also what does "do not use the paper ICM" mean?  You are comparing selecting an ICC profile in Qimage to... what?  Letting the driver manage color?

It sounds to me like you are just confused about color management and maybe not using the right color management settings in the right places.  But that's just a guess.  Any monitor profiling puck depends on you manually setting brightness.  And even the ones that read "room illumination" and try to get you to set a monitor brightness almost always get it wrong.

You are mixing a lot of variables at once while trying to hone in on good output: trying different profiles/settings, putting images online and looking at them with a non-color-managed browser, etc.  Go back to that test image that you printed.  You said that comes out too dark.  Right away you have a problem in your printing procedures if that prints dark.  That's where you start (as others have pointed out).  Print that test image with the strawberries but print it on an OEM paper that is supported in the driver with OEM ink using a "Printer profile" that matches that printer and paper name (use "Suggest profiles" to find it).  If that comes out dark, either your printer is broken or you are expecting prints to be brighter than they should be.

Edit: Just to add/clarify, you print that test image per the paragraph above not because you are "testing" anything.  You print that as a baseline to which you refer.  Any printer running OEM ink will print that image perfectly if you use a paper that is listed in the driver and you select the manufacturer's ICC profile for that paper (the one that installed with the driver).  We do this so we can see what the image is supposed to look like.  Then we can match everything else to that print we are holding in our hand.  And that's why it is important that you print it with all OEM items: OEM paper, OEM (driver installed) ICC profile for that specific paper, OEM ink.  That's your baseline.  Without that baseline in your hand, you are just comparing to a whim/expectations which can be way off (even for the experienced).

Regards,
Mike
2  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate Wish List / image preview when opening a single image on: May 25, 2023, 04:56:52 AM
A suggestion;

When you open a single image and the search window comes up, Q does not show the thumbnails in the file box like every other program. Can this happen??  TY    dw
3  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: dark prints on: May 25, 2023, 04:53:11 AM
Thanks again all !  I'm reluctant to darken the screen. Many times I will edit on another computer, besides this one. Both are Xrite calibrated. I have lots of edited images, not just new ones. I did a test by lowering the monitor by 1.5 stops. If I readjust the image after darkening the screen and post it online the image is way off [of course]. Can the printing be darkened in a separate process without is affecting what is on the monitor? I also note that if I do not use the paper ICM the density is closer to the screen.. why is this?

best, dw


If the monitor is too bright the correct method is to set the monitor to factory settings, then use the X Rite to calibrate the monitor at a lower luminenence value. If it does still not match the print, re-calibrate again at an even lower setting. The value depends on room lighting, eyesight etc, I use 90 cd/mē. and the colour will always be at the ICC standard.
You could also check that you are not double profiling which can lead to dark prints, and that you are using the correcr profile for the paper/printer combination.

Brian
4  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: dark prints on: May 23, 2023, 12:46:39 AM
THANKS FOR THE REPLY.  I do have this test image and have used it many times. Its hard to judge the density on this image but it too is dark, though id say not 2-stops. Yes, to the above - The paper profile ICM is also correct. The aI in the Q usually fixes any mismatches anyway. The color is right, but the density is way off. While I can match the screen to the print, it doesnt solve the question why when I post images online [anywhere] the output is fine. Not just on my devices but every other devise I see the images [other computers, cells, etc...], its just the prints that are  dark.. Ive spent lots of money on an Xrite devise to calibrate the monitor, so If I manually change the monitor density, it will not match the Xrite ICM.  dw
5  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / dark prints on: May 22, 2023, 05:20:58 AM
hellos all -

This is likely been discussed many times, but I cant seem to find the right answer.
I print most everything in Q these days. The color is correct mostly, but everything comes out dark, a good 2 stops dark from the monitor. I have everything set to adobe RGB including the image files.
Im running a canon pro100.
Suggestions on how to correct this?.. other than manually?

thanks, dw
6  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: basic functions on: September 12, 2022, 07:10:40 PM
Thanks for the reply.. I know... odd...  There are 2 areas to rotate the image, to the right in 'prints'. The other by double clicking the image page. neither will rotate the image. In the second, the 3rd button the the left, showing the 'auto rotate' it will not disengage.
On some occasions it will function if I delete the image in que and reput it back. very frustrating to have to do that. something is holding this function in place. This is not the only occurrence. There are other functions that do the same thing.

dw
7  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / basic functions on: September 12, 2022, 01:40:45 AM
hello - I am having much grief with basic function. its too many to list, but for example. The rotate function simply does not work. seems like a simple thing yet no mater what I do it will not work. advise, thanks.  dw
PS - several other basics also do not work.
8  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: hair pulling. on: July 17, 2020, 04:00:46 AM
Sorry - had to go out of town. I can certainly use a different paper, and I have used different papers [said Pro]. the result is the same even if the profile and paper match. What photoshop and lightroom prints is much different than what the Q output is. Im having trouble in getting print output to even be close to the screen. Doesn't matter the paper I use. Making a profile with the xrite does nothing but waste time. I can find no clear direction as what is occuring.

regards.



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Fred - yes - My interest is getting Q to function. The 4x6 i am using is the Canon 4x6, photo glossy for these tests - says GP-701.I only hve 3 choices for any glossy in the profiles. none of them produce a good print, in fact they are all the same mud color... nothing like the screen. I have the same poor output no matter where it is set "NONE", "let the printer", etc. The closest to a decent print is the Platinum pro profile. it is still way off [If its not like the screen, to me it is bad]. This is the TEST image I am using BTW. I just need Q to give me what I see on screen.  regards.  dw
First of all, THAT paper is not to be used with that printer. Says so on Canon website. Second, there is no driver setting for it, and there is no profile for it. It is very cheap paper not a Canon Pro paper. So I don't know where to go from here. Again, make sure you are not using the XPS driver.
I don't mean to sound rude or in any way insulting, but 50 sheets of the real Canon 4 x 6 ,is $12.31. .Would probably have saved a ton of ink, time, and stress.
Sorry, Fred
9  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: hair pulling. on: July 13, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
Fred - yes - My interest is getting Q to function. The 4x6 i am using is the Canon 4x6, photo glossy for these tests - says GP-701.I only hve 3 choices for any glossy in the profiles. none of them produce a good print, in fact they are all the same mud color... nothing like the screen. I have the same poor output no matter where it is set "NONE", "let the printer", etc. The closest to a decent print is the Platinum pro profile. it is still way off [If its not like the screen, to me it is bad]. This is the TEST image I am using BTW. I just need Q to give me what I see on screen.  regards.  dw

PS - I think I have the sizing figured out. 




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Q keeps changing from print to print. It also doest not give me what photoshop does, or lightroom. Q also crops the image when it looks correct on screen. [im using 4x6 to save ink]. I only have Canon pro paper, so the profiles are all in there. The test image is what Jtoolman suggested. it is a 60mgb file.
Is it the profile that controls everything? ..or is Q acting strange?  thanks,  dw
As far as the color and brightness of the print, yes.

If you have the driver set to Scaling, it will chop off a part of the image. (see screen snap) Set that to Normal See screen snap
Paper ? Canon Pro paper.... which one? Glossy N, Pro Matte, Pro Luster, Pro Semi gloss?
All different profiles. All different driver paper choices?
Are you using the regular Canon driver; not XPS driver??
Let's not discuss Light Room etc. Let's stick to getting Qimage set right and your driver set right and get a proper print.
Let's see your QU settings and your driver settings  please.
Fred

10  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: hair pulling. on: July 13, 2020, 06:46:28 PM
Thanks fred !  I got closer on your settings, but its still not close to what is correct.

Q keeps changing from print to print. It also doest not give me what photoshop does, or lightroom. Q also crops the image when it looks correct on screen. [im using 4x6 to save ink]. I only have Canon pro paper, so the profiles are all in there. The test image is what Jtoolman suggested. it is a 60mgb file.
Is it the profile that controls everything? ..or is Q acting strange?  thanks,  dw






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ve spent the last 3 days trying to print a reverence image with no profiles -  -  It wasnt until today i was able to get a print to come out that looked normal, in photoshop.. If I print the same image in Qimage, the color is so far off I cant even guess what color it is. ON SCREEN in Q it looks normal, the print looks like crap [I was expecting to see what I got from PS]. If I print the image through windows picture viewer it looks even worse, but it also looks normal in screen.

I spent the $$ to buy the i1 studio. This devise has proven to be worthless. The calibration doesn't seem correct. I also created a print profile with this i1-s. It doesnt make any difference either in the print output.

I have tried everything to have control over print output. Thus far its all been one big dud. NOTHING jives. All I want is when I hit print, the print should look like the screen.

if anyone could offer some step by step settings id greatly appreciate it.

OK, let's try to simplify and get on the right track.
First of all, what paper are you using?  Second, since you have a Pro 100 printer, that came with profiles.
Third, lets take a piece of Canon paper and select the correct profile for that paper, and select it in QU where it says Printer profiles; see screen snap.
Now set the driver. Set the Quality to highest it will go,1 is the highest. Depends on what paper you selected.
Set Color matching to NONE/ see attached screen snaps. Paper type and size match too.
Make a print!!!
If we start this way, it will work.   
I realize you  might have some sophisticated paper that you profiled, or the manufacturer supplied a profile.
We will tackle that later after you make a perfect print, this way.
fred

11  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / hair pulling. on: July 13, 2020, 03:00:34 AM
Hello - I am just not understanding this color profiling. seems easy enough on paper, but when i put those settings in place everything is screwed up.

between turning on and turning off profiles, using the x-rite devise, Q image... I thought this would be all fairly easy.
I cant say if its the setting or the devises or the software..

I have a WIN-10 machine. CS5, Qimage, xrite istudio, pixma pro100.

Ive spent the last 3 days trying to print a reverence image with no profiles -  -  It wasnt until today i was able to get a print to come out that looked normal, in photoshop.. If I print the same image in Qimage, the color is so far off I cant even guess what color it is. ON SCREEN in Q it looks normal, the print looks like crap [I was expecting to see what I got from PS]. If I print the image through windows picture viewer it looks even worse, but it also looks normal in screen.

I spent the $$ to buy the i1 studio. This devise has proven to be worthless. The calibration doesn't seem correct. I also created a print profile with this i1-s. It doesnt make any difference either in the print output.

I have tried everything to have control over print output. Thus far its all been one big dud. NOTHING jives. All I want is when I hit print, the print should look like the screen.

if anyone could offer some step by step settings id greatly appreciate it.

regards, dw
12  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: large image on: April 23, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
Mike - Is there a way to tell it [or force] to print in the middle, like how it is showing on the screen?

thanks!  regards, dw


It will always print close to the edge of the paper because the poster panels are intended to be cut right at the edge of the prints so there is no border on any sides.  That allows you to butt the adjoining edges together to create the least visible seams.

Regards,
Mike
13  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: large image on: April 23, 2020, 02:05:07 AM
Thanks fred - Sorry, but I was tied up most of the day to call. I wrangled with it, even with your 1st suggestions.
I am better at learning with a visual [dyslexia sucks], so thanks!

I still had issues even with this visual. It was this single length setting that did the trick mostly. But when I printed at 1st the orientation was wrong. Theres another setting in the 'printer dialog' that has to be checked. its in the printer properties / page setup / options. Its a check box for orientation[landscape].
This was just a guess, but it fixed the issue.

Another problem the Qimage caused, that I have no clue how to fix. In the images below is the problem. Even though on screen, the image is centered, but the print didnt come out that way.. as you can see. How do I fix this?

thanks, best regards. dw




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ast night, when i set the pro100 preference, then to custom, It would not let me size anything past 26" How do i get past that?

dw
Where are you setting Custom size?
In Qimage, see snaps below.
Fred
14  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: large image on: April 22, 2020, 05:23:07 PM
..ill try it.

last night, when i set the pro100 preference, then to custom, It would not let me size anything past 26" How do i get past that?

dw


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Thanks fred!  - I must not be setting something properly in Qimage.
BTW i am using the Cannon pro100, so yes, three sheets.

When I seem to set all the settings properly, on screen Qimage seems to shrink the pano down [visually], but before it tosses up a notice of the multiple sheets. Do I disregard what is on screen?

thanks, dw
Great. I am  using a Pro 100 also.
Did you set the size in Custom size to LONG SIDE 47"?

Step 1 Select your printer setup (Semi gloss 19 x 13 Landscape)
Step 2 Open Custom size and set LONG SIDE to 47"
Step 3 Add pano image (Auto crop off)
Step 4 You should see as in my screen snap a full left to right pano image with little tag 3x1. That is telling you that we need 3 sheets of paper.
Step 5. Hover your pointer over the image. Size says, size, 47" x 12.68.
MINE SAYS that.   Yours will say 47" x the vertical pixel count. ratio.
Maybe you think that shrunk the print, but it is keeping the aspect ratio of the image.
If you need to fill the vertical better then you will need to shoot a set of vertical shots above the main shot.
In other words, Take your first shot. Now take a shot above the first. Now move to Shot two position. Take the shot and a second vertical.
I should get Terry on here. He takes panos all the time.
Fred
15  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: large image on: April 22, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Thanks fred!  - I must not be setting something properly in Qimage.
BTW i am using the Cannon pro100, so yes, three sheets.

When I seem to set all the settings properly, on screen Qimage seems to shrink the pano down [visually], but before it tosses up a notice of the multiple sheets. Do I disregard what is on screen?

thanks, dw


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Hello - I am trying to print a panoramic image [47" wide]. The image will need to be divided, 3 prints on my printer. I read somewhere that Qimage separated the image but i cant figure out how to do it. I couldnt find a video on this. Help would be appreciated.  Thanks, dw
   

Hello, dw
Not much info above so I will guess and assume.
What Printer? Roll paper capability?  I assume not.
If you do have roll paper, Qimage will print the whole thing in Banner mode.
Assuming not, then Qimage will use POSTER mode. It will automatically enter poster mode once it sees a print order larger than the paper size.

I selected the largest sheet paper I have; A3+ or 13 x 19 in landscape mode on screen. Then I set Custom print size to Long side 47".
I add my pano, and Qimage sees the size issue and automatically makes 3 panels for the image to satisfy the 47" request.
See screen snap upper left. Very small text.... 3x1. Telling you it needs 3 sheets for the width only.
Hope this helps.
Fred

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