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1  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: January 07, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
Well I've got the Epson 2100 working, it was the ink flow. Reduced it to -21% and i don't have to edit the printer profile in Prism anymore.
The Epson 1290 is also working, not 100% but close. Somehow the Epson R800 in default settings is better then the profiled paper.
And the HP 8450 is no longer being profiled, i'am using the original (expensive) cartridges and it gives nice results. Black and white prints are
perfect with the HP100 gray cartridge. I found a better setting for profiling with my Epson scanner which helped a lot, it's now scanning in 48 Bit mode
with the original software at 400 dpi.

Grtx Erwin.
 
2  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: January 02, 2010, 12:29:51 PM
Well this option is only available on my Epson 2100, not on the Epson R800 + 1290. Downloaded the latest drivers to see
if it was in there, no luck. But you are correct that there is to much ink.
3  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: January 01, 2010, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: mical on January 01, 2010, 04:48:36 PM
First comments since my purchase of PP several months ago.
 I have also had the green /yellow cast, use an Epson 2100 printer with a CIS system & have tried tweaking the profiles time and time again. Temporarily gave up, then approached the issue as a flawed starting point -(my first set of printer target 40 tifs all seem to be very dark, over saturated and dense -all printed using ‘QI /Prtr /ICC OFF ‘and Epson ‘print setup /no color controls’)
I then reprinted all printer target 40 tifs using ‘QI /Prtr/ ICC OFF/  no color controls’  for all the paper media I use, both gloss & matte (Epson-Ilford-Fotospeed etc). I did this at varying levels of ink color densities.  Access via Epson’s 'print setup/properties/advanced tab/paper configuration/color density'
 Printer target 40 tifs prints at less 5% ink-less 10% ink-up to less 25% ink color density.   
Created new profiles for each reprint, then made test prints of each profile - (hope that I'm making some sense?)
After much trial and error I settled on 25%less ink.
I used ‘QI/ Prtr/ ICC OFF’, Epson’ print setup /no color controls’, with color density set at 'less 25%' for printing the printer target 40 tifs.  These settings created printer targets that were less dense and lighter. Then, I scanned the IT8 target with the new printer 40 target, creating new profiles.
When I used the new profile, the green /yellow cast was still there, though less obvious. I then printed a picture using 25% less color density which was just too light; finally settled on 15% less color density.
So far so good - green/ yellow cast no longer an issue - still testing though.
  
PRINTER SETTINGS THAT I USE FOR PRINTING THE ABOVE PROFILE:
EPSON PRINT SETUP/PROPERTIES/ADVANCED/ NO COLOR CONTOLS/ PAPER CONFIG/ /LESS 15% COLOR DENSITY   

All this would seem to indicate that the ‘no color controls’ setting in the Epson 2100 printer  lays down a lot of ink and needs to be adjusted .  All of this can only be a pointer to all of you out there,  as each printer /paper/ scanner combination etc  has their own unique issues to be resolved.


That would make sense, going to try it tomorrow. Thank you for the info!

Grtx Erwin.
4  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: December 31, 2009, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Terry-M on December 31, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
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the second print was a profiled print.
Ok. it was a typo, I was just checking  Wink

Going back to your original post and basics:
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Today i bought a second hand printer an Epson 2100 with original cartridges.  And made a test
print, and found out. My profiled printers have way to much yellow in the prints.
I don't understand the logic, why did you not think the original prints from your other printers were too yellow?
What is the comparison with your monitor like - properly calibrated I assume?
Profile Prism does provide an editor so you can compare print appearance with the original image and then adjust to get them matching. It does require the monitor to be calibrated of course.

Edit: How are you viewing the prints? Some lighting conditions can give odd effects; daylight is best or a proper lamp (Ott light) or viewing booth.

Terry.

What i forgot to mention, with all 3 printers Epson R800, Epson 1290 and a HP8450 all the prints looked exactly the same after being profiled (to yellow/greenish).

Well i was viewing the photo under poor light conditions, so i never noticed it. That's the down site from energy saving bulbs. So you are correct, the problem
is not all pictures are too yellow. About 40% is oke, or i can't really see it. I've a other printer it's a HP 8450 which was also profiled, the photo looked exactly the
same as the Epson R800. So my thought was the pictures where oke, until the Epson 2100 came with the original ink.

But it gets even stranger, i printed a few reference pictures with the Epson 2100 and a few with the Epson R800 with the same Epson setting.
Now with the profiled managed by the printer driver. The pictures on the Ciss (Epson R800) are now better looking then the Epson 2100 with the original ink.
Yes i know it should be the other way around. So today the Epson R800 got a lot of pictures in the Print Server queue to replace the bad printouts.

Grtx Erwin.
5  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: December 31, 2009, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: Terry-M on December 31, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
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Yesterday i printed a printer-target with a new profile.
I hope this is not really what you have done  Shocked  .... and you meant, printed a Test Image with a new profile.
Printer targets must be printed without any colour management at all. Qimage has a Printer Set-up for the task.
Terry.

No the first printer target is printed with colour management off, the second print was a profiled print.
It was only a test! To see how different the colors where.
6  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Profiles are to yellow on: December 31, 2009, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: rayw on December 31, 2009, 12:18:48 AM
You could try editing the profiles, or apply a print filter, if you use qimage for printing.

I've been using Qimage with al sorts of filters. Till now no perfect result. At the moment
i'am back to the Epson settings. Yesterday i printed a printer-target with a new profile.
Just to see how they would compare to the original. It was way off. I've used a lot of ink
and paper in total, at the moment i'am happy with the default Epson settings.
7  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Profiles are to yellow on: December 30, 2009, 03:45:54 PM
Hello All,

i've been using Profile Prism for some time now. And allways thought the prints looked fine.
Until today, my main printers are a Epson R800 and a Epson 1290. Both use Ciss systems.
For paper i use Olmec or Innova and original Epson papers mostly matt.
Today i bought a second hand printer an Epson 2100 with original cartridges.  And made a test
print, and found out. My profiled printers have way to much yellow in the prints.
For the scans i use a Epson V300 Scanner. Profiles scanned give as a printer target result.

Note 4 patches marked with "X" are at minimum/ maximium brightness.

I'am using the original reference card R070919, is this card only usable for glossy papers?
And how can i reduce the yellow in my profiles?

Greetings to all.
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