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1  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2023.112 issues/comments on: April 05, 2023, 02:52:50 PM
https://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage-u

2023.112      Mar 26, 2023

Priority: High

v2023.112 includes the following fixes:

  • Mirrored prints: Fixed a bug where very large images (>1 GB) may spontaneously print mirrored under certain conditions.
  • Corner marks: Fixed an issue where corner cut marks were not previewing in the full page editor.
  • Template marks: Cut marks now preview in the proper locations when using template/centered print placement.

Mike

Mirrored prints. Two weeks ago I was afraid it had something to do with the HP Z3200 drivers so did not dare to discuss it here. Saw no other comments in the forum either. But lost two 100x140cm big prints that way.  Trials then showed it really had to do with files being just within 1GB or just above 1GB. Tried a much older QU version and it did the same, HP printer preview showed it again. Having more time today I tried Photoline for the prints and the >1GB file printed correctly. So I thought not the Z3200 drivers to blame and logged in to report my issues and then I see it is solved. Was there a bug reported in the forum?  Could not find it.

What are the specific conditions?

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots

2  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: HPZ3200PS Sanity Check Please! on: June 17, 2022, 03:00:54 PM
Thanks for the reply Ernst, I never did get to the bottom of it but I have got used to the workflow described and it is working well enough: PS3 driver for matt papers; V4 PCL3 for anything that requires GE. Fortunately the PS3 driver never triggers the GE and I very seldom want GE full coverage so I have not had to touch the GE setting on the printer control panel. Using PU 1.17.03 like you, that seems to work ok although I cross my fingers whenever I need to sync or manage presets as it went through a phase of not allowing that (option greyed out). I did convince myself that the communication problem is Windows 10 related - can't remember for sure but I think I discovered that everything worked properly via an old XP machine, including Advanced Profiling Solution.

Haven't the time or inclination to wrestle with the communication issue any more for now but I dare say it will come back to bite me sooner or later.

William.

PS: By the way, this issue is not peculiar to Qimage, I get the same problem if I try to print from PS, Illustrator or anything else.

No problems with managing the media presets. Sync is also alright and I downloaded all the additional and custom media presets from the Z3200PS and transferred them to the Z3200 Photo printer. They landed all in the additional map but work. Slightly less saturation in the Z3200Photo output after media calibration there but quite identical. First check what could cause that as making a double set of profiles is a lot of work.
3  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: HPZ3200PS Sanity Check Please! on: June 15, 2022, 01:20:42 PM
William, I wonder whether this reply is still required.

I went through the HP driver + utilities downloads today for a Z3200PS A version and a Z3200 Photo B version, both 44". Further W10 and QU conditions like your setup.
Tried the PCL drivers, the new utility replacements and buried them deep in my archive as not suitable. HP too much listening in too on that software.

Loaded what is probably still a W8 level PCL driver for both printers + Print Utility 1.17.0.3    Deselected HP support and Alerts.  Back to old situation I had a week ago but with one printer more.
Most likely the PS driver of that period will act the same but I hardly use that one. Made my own default printer settings that are loaded when I Shift click the Printer Properties window of QU. I only change printer settings in the HP printer driver itself, never in QU.

What may cause trouble are spontaneous changes of the printer' s IP address but quite easily solved in my experience. W10 protection scheme running at the background I guess.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots

4  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Cutting/trimming lines/marks on: February 23, 2021, 11:41:08 AM
Thank you all for the tips and answers. I've tried them and they were helpfull. I now understand better how all this can be achieved. But they all have disadvantages: you either almost double the required time (sheet has to be fed twice through the printer) or you have to process the image in PS.

Imho the most convenient way would  be to have in QI the possibility to manually place "guides" (like in Photoshop) to the page/paper. These guides should then also have the option to be printable in full, dotted, coloured, corners only or not at all. And of course: when printed in full, they should not go "over" the image(-s).

Is this anything I can put forward as a request? Because I'm sure many other people encountered this "problem" (and dealed with it by manually placing marks with a pen and ruler).

I think it will not be faster or more reliable if compared to the already existing QU uneven border feature which I find not fast enough. There is a learning video for that one.

If QU had a Canvas like feature in the Image Editor or added to the High Precision Cropping Tool, more or less a crop window that goes over the image size edges then I would favor that. It could be made without actually changing the image file and even on the fly working when added to the HPCT feature. Saved as a filter you can add that 'negative crop' to all the images.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken



5  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Cutting/trimming lines/marks on: February 23, 2021, 09:17:42 AM
Ernst, the problem is with uneven borders, 10mm top and bottom and 47mm on each side. I agree that trimming first is undesirable, but in this case I think it may be the best way.

Brian

Alright, my usual workflow is then adding white canvas to all the images in Photoshop with an action. Only to fill up the 37mm at both sides to keep the file size acceptable, 100% JPGs will not grow much then. The 10,5mm border all around added in Qimage Ultimate. Usually  I do not encounter such wide border differences though.

To create unequal borders in printing  in QU is a longer path in my experience. Although Print to File could do something similar automatically too and use the output of that for the print run. Make a print page of 400,5x500,5 mm, print size A3 centrally. Corner marks added later in the print run. Keep an eye on the assigned color spaces though, they may differ as the files are from different sources. I would probably go for the paper profile added in Print to File and have the print run without CM done to avoid double profiling faults.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken




6  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Cutting/trimming lines/marks on: February 22, 2021, 10:11:56 AM
I would never cut the sheets to the size of the print page you need in the end.  I would use Corner Marks + 0.5mm white Border+ width added to the border width you already will add or not add. After the print is made cut just within the Corner Marks, you will have two short lines remaining up to the last cut to be made. If the cut print edges fall behind the frame or matte in the end you can even forget the additional 0.5mm and cut on the Corner Mark lines themselves.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
7  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Issues with the print cropping tool on: February 15, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
That is indeed what was intended.  I had to make one final correction to address that: the fix is in today's 2021.103.

Regards,
Mike

Mike,

Despite this morning's outdoors bursted water pipe; You made someone at the other side of the pond very happy today.
Works like a charm now.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
8  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Issues with the print cropping tool on: February 14, 2021, 12:14:38 PM
Just wanted to get back to you: the just-released 2021.102 has fixed these issues.

Regards,
Mike

Hello Mike,

Thank you for the work done to make it more consistent.

However I do not really understand why the crop aspect ratio is related to the total size of the print in both Border and Border+ settings. I would relate the crop aspect ratio to the image crop resulting from the print size and border size setting. Am I missing a choice that would create that in High Precision Print Cropping? I like the on the fly approach of that tool, nothing saved to the image and a good display of the image + crop.

I see that the crop aspect ratio is always related to the overall print size aspect ratio so image size + 2x borders border size. For both Border and Border+ choices. If I use the Frame simulation of (the now free) Picture Window Pro and change the matte width in the Frame menu, apply  the settings and use the dual window display; Frame simulation + Image with Crop next to it then the crop aspect ratio provided is the actual image crop ratio. Change the matte width and the crop aspect ratio changes too.  In Qimage Ultimate this relates most to the setting Print Size choice (say 600x500mm), Border (say 50mm) + Crop scissors on, the image then becomes 500x400mm.  But whatever your choice of border width in QU the crop gets the aspect ratio of 1.2 as a result of 600/500mm. I would like to have 1.25 as a result of 500/400 like PWP does it. In QU with Border+ you get the ratio 1.167 of the overall size 700/600 where 1.20 of 600/500 would be handy.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

Normal sheet sizes + border choices would create a similar situation as a fixed frame size does.
9  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Issues with the print cropping tool on: February 04, 2021, 04:48:16 PM
Edit: Mike,  an artificial image made in Photoshop, size 500x400, Tiff saved.  Custom print size 600x500mm, inner border 50mm, crop scissors button off. Check "Print(s) Crop" window. No crop to be seen as expected. Close window. Crop scissors button on. Open P-C window again. A left right crop shows, while the inner border is still kept at 50mm so there should be no crop at all. Size of the print on the Print Page is still 600x500mm and looks as if there is no crop done.

If I repeat that exact sequence, I can see the problem.  I had been using the cropping tool in the full page editor (the small one on the Cropping tab - which doesn't have this problem).  It only shows up when you use the high precision crop or "Crop Print(s)" from the live view.  I'll take care of that.

Regards,
Mike

Mike, thank you. It will be nice when it is solved.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
10  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: negative image on: February 04, 2021, 04:46:37 PM
I don't scan many color negs but I believe the effect of the orange mask with traditional wet process printing is quite complex. A simple "flat" correction doesn't accomplish the same thing. The color neg setting on my Epson scanner works well, better than I've been able to do by trying to  deal with the orange mask myself, though I don't know how sophisticated it is. Probably more than me!

edit- here's a better description of how the mask works: https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/color-negative-mask-questions-and-confusions.254896/
Turns out it's two masks and not a simple filter.


Correct, I have even studied the making of film masks for film separations in offset printing processes. Where the inks had an even worse representation of pure cyan, magenta, yellow for color mixing while the color negative to start from had a construction that aimed at the use of color print paper with its chromogenic photo dyes. I mentioned the strength slider to neutralize at least a part of the mask. The rest should be done with a profile to compensate the shifts per color mix area but even there problems appear as the development of the color negative film has never been that stable and by that the mask density changes per batch too. On top of that is fading of the negatives, especially for the 1970's color film it can be horrible. Vuescan has some choices to compensate for all that but you still have to do color editing.

There is another issue; the RB spectral sensibilities of most camera and scanner sensors fit quite good for the Cyan and Yellow dye densities in developed film but the Green filtered pixels do not fit as well spectrally to the Magenta dye of color films.

It would be easier today to make color negatives and use an X-rite Color Checker to make a RAW or ICC profile and use that for the output of that batch of developed color negative film. Not to mention the maskless color negative films as used in air photography. Slide material is even easier and digital takes are most convenient. However what I have in color negative film is 40 to 50 years old. So you struggle to get it right and RAW editing tools offer more in my experience. ACR accepted the inverted DNG files exported from Vuescan.

BTW, a good link you added there.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
11  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: negative image on: February 04, 2021, 12:41:45 PM
I digitise my negatives with my Canon M5, and the 'Invert' command in Photoshop (Image>Adjustments>Invert) also reverses the curves in the same way as QI, but all further adjustments work the 'right' way round. Perhaps Mike could add 'Invert' to QImage.

Brian P

Right, and possibly an orange mask filter for color negatives there too, the input based on a mask only part of the color neg film and a strength slider that goes down to zero for B&W negatives. 

I use scanners and cameras for that work and Vuescan allows export of a DNG packed inverted negative scan or take that has no other editing done in Vuescan. It is basically not a RAW file though but a Tiff in disguise. From there I can do the job further with several image editing programs. A true RAW but "positive" file might give even more editing possibilities.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

12  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Issues with the print cropping tool on: February 03, 2021, 04:40:13 PM
Hi Ernst,

I tested it with a fresh image with no saved crop and didn't find any problem with the crop changing when changing the border.  The crop tool was consistent as well.  If you moved the crop, however, and there is a saved crop for that image/size, it will recall that crop as long as the overall print size matches.  In other words, it doesn't consider the border.  I will change that so that the crop/size takes the border into account which will correct that problem.  In the mean time, if there is a saved crop for a particular image, a round scissors icon will appear on that print on the main live view.  You can click that round scissors icon to remove any saved crop.  So if you run into the problem, see if there is a round scissors icon on the print on the live view and if so, click it to remove the saved crop.  Then cropping will go back to the standard center-of-image and you can continue from there.

Regards,
Mike

Hello Mike, thank you for the reply. I have done all kinds of things and in my opinion there is no saved crop for the image/print size and no round scissors icon on that print on the main live view. I do hope your change might solve it as I see no better way to describe it than I already did. Possibly I should make a screen video to show what goes wrong.  Windows 10 here. I will update QU to 2021.101 but I recall this is going on with several versions.

Edit: Mike,  an artificial image made in Photoshop, size 500x400, Tiff saved.  Custom print size 600x500mm, inner border 50mm, crop scissors button off. Check "Print(s) Crop" window. No crop to be seen as expected. Close window. Crop scissors button on. Open P-C window again. A left right crop shows, while the inner border is still kept at 50mm so there should be no crop at all. Size of the print on the Print Page is still 600x500mm and looks as if there is no crop done.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
13  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Issues with the print cropping tool on: February 03, 2021, 11:51:50 AM
Sometimes you have a frame available and an image that comes close enough in aspect ratio to fit in that frame with equal borders around if the width of the borders is a bit adapted.  So I set a 50x60cm print size where the image + 40mm border should fit in more or less, crop scissors on. Load the image and check in the "Print(s) Crop" window what is cropped. Avoid "Save crop image/size", no "Done" and close the window at the top X. When I change the border width to get a nicer crop based on what I have seen I see no changes in the "Print(s) Crop" window. Either  the window recalls a former "Save crop image/size" or things are not refreshed. I guess I do something wrong. Another question then; where or how can I remove a "Save crop image/size" tag? As that may have happened before I did the actions described above. I have had difficulties there months before and thought this is no feature for me though I also recall that I used it with success in the past. QU version 2021.100 here.

It is most obvious when you take an image of say an aspect ratio/size 400x500mm, set a print size 480x580mm and have an inside border set of 40mm.  Should fit nicely without a crop added even with the crop scissors enabled. Now change the size of the border to 100mm and after that to 10mm. The print page window shows the crops resp. top/bottom and left right as it should be. But the Print Cropping Tool window does not, at least in my case it does not adapt. Fresh image file with new name, all the save aspects of the Print Crop Tool window off.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken



14  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: negative image on: February 03, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Thanks to Terry for the answer!  There's a second way to do it too (which is really the same way, just another way to get there)...

You can right click on a thumbnail or thumbnails, select "Predefined Filter", and then select the "negative" filter.

Regards,
Mike

Yet it would be nicer to have a feature that converts the negative to positive before any image editing can/should be done as that lets the image editing tools act like they would do on a normal positive image. Preferably a negative<>positive conversion in the RAW file as I mentioned in an older thread;

http://ddisoftware.com/tech/qimage-ultimate/request-new-feature-(negative-to-positive-button)/?action=printpage


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

15  Technical Discussions / Printers / Re: HP Z3200ps Printer Driver Issues on: September 15, 2020, 11:01:26 AM
Ernst,

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my questions, I appreciate it!!

Based on you input, I’ve made changes in the following areas…

1.   Changed the HPGL2 Driver to the HP Designjet Z3200ps 44in Photo V4 driver in Windows.

2.   Based on the diagnostic print, I replaced the E-G print head and Gloss Enhancer ink cartridge.  Colors on the test print look correct, however, that is only if I selected the “printer manage color” option in the driver.  The colors look awful when I selected “Application select color”.  Is there something else that I need to do in Photoshop or Capture One to make it work with the “Application select color” option?

3.   In HP Utility, the “Synchronize Paper Presets” option is grayed out.  I noticed there’s a note about my custom papers profile being obsolete, so I recalibrated all of my custom papers and then restarted my computer.  Unfortunately, the “Synchronize Paper Presets” option is still grayed out, and there is no option for me to select my customer papers in the driver on the computer.  What other options do I have to syn the paper profiles in the printer to the computer?

4.   When I used the letter size paper (8.5 by 11 inches or 215.9 by 279.4 mm) for test prints, and loaded the paper in the portrait orientation; the printer always printed the image (and cutting out part of it in the process) in the landscape orientation no matter if I rotated the image to match the paper in Qimage.  Problem is the Z3200ps printer doesn’t let me load the letter size paper in the landscape orientation, any suggestions?

5.   The last question is a really dumb one… I tried to reset only the HP driver to its default while keeping the QU settings for the rest by pressing down shift + click on the driver icon in Qimage… I tried that on the QU icon before opening up the application, and the QU icon on the upper left hand corner after I opened the application, none of that seemed to work.  What did I do wrong?

Best Regards,
Kelly


Kelly,

2. We are writing about printing to the Z3200 from Qimage Ultimate, consider the last as your application and have color management settings correct there. Let us limit the topic to HP media present in the HP driver choices and still available on the market. For example the HP ID Premium Satin Paper 260 gr/m˛. Shift+click on the driver icon (not the top one in QU but the one in my reply at 5.). Select that paper in the driver, have the driver default setting already on Application Color Management (but check here) + Roll or Sheet (manual) + image quality setting (requesting 300 or 600PPI) + the printing page say A3 + landscape or portrait. O.K. there. Then go to QU's color management, select Application Color Management there + the HP ID Premium Satin Paper printer profile + Relative Color rendering + BPC. O.K. there. Do not alter settings like print page size, media choice or landscape/portrait after that in Qimage Ultimate's menu!!

Images you print should have a color space assigned, that is done in Capture One when you process from RAW to Tiff or JPG to the Output map. Use AdobeRGB as the color space for example. Take your Tiffs or Jpegs from that C1 Output map with the QU menu thumbs page of that map. Check Display Image Info of one of the thumbs (right click) and look for the AdobeRGB presence in that file. If not there, no AdobeRGB was assigned/saved for that file in C1. The default color space replacement for non-assigned images is sRGB by Qimage if it can not find other clues in the file's EXIF. There can be a color shift if you edited a file with AdobeRGB set as the color space in the image editing application and it gets sRGB attached somewhere on its route to the print. It could be that printer color management (as you describe giving better color) just guessed better what color space you used in C1 or another image editing application. Or you knew what you used in C1 and selected that for the printer driver CM, two choices for RGB files processing there (PCL3 raster photo driver): AdobeRGB or sRGB. Printer profile is in the black box there so no access to it.

3.  You absolutely have to get the default HP paper profiles installed in the Windows system for QU's color management to function. Normally a Synchronise Paper Presets does that. Media Presets and the linked Printer Profiles are taken from the printer harddisk and so distributed to one or more systems that have access to the printer. Try to get the Printer Utility working for that task. Calibration is not needed at that point and will not help in distributing the profiles. Calibration is meant to keep the color fundament to a certain standard, over time for the printer hardware (heads mainly) and small changes between paper production batches can alter the color fundament. With calibration keeping that standard you do not need to make new profiles, the fundament remains the same for the profiles made in the past. Your color issues right now are not related to that, normally these shifts are hardly noticeable.

4. Check minimum sheet sizes you can load on a HP Z3200/3100. Roll width minimum is 30cm, length of a sheet (paper transport direction) should be similar, width of a sheet at least 21cm.
Set print page preview in the HP driver to check whether the image is turned before the printing start. You can cancel it then. Do not alter the landscape/portrait mode from the QU menu, do it in the printer driver as already written in 2. There are issues with HP drivers integration with QU. A letter size paper sheet will have a printable area of roughly 205x262mm. Do not lock the rotation of a landscape image when printed on a portrait printpage. Make sure the image is not printed over several sheets, there will be a QU warning anyway. Find your way in the QU settings is best I can write.

5. I come back to that, Lunch is served.
Edit: Shift/Click on the Properties text as shown in this screengrab.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

https://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken


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