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1  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 04, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
Fred, I thought my first query on how to save (easily) was clear enough.  You've quoted my frustration later too with Terry's addendums to the simple question.

Terry entered with a bunch of other stuff I do not care about so I responded to clairfy.  I just want an easy way to Save a edited image.  Seems it then went off the rails with you feeding into his tangent stream of thought as well.  Note that I did not even mention things like floating texts, mats, etc.  I didn't even mention any of that, just seeking an easy way to Save a image is all I wanted which seems obscure from the Main window and it is in the Edit one.

My frustration results from making my "Save" into a big production with all the other QU candy I do not use.  Terry's first response was "Why are you doing P2F to save an image?"  Cripes!  That is what I want to avoid.  Seems easy enough, but he took it off the rails and added a bunch of sundry stuff I could care less about.  It took you to come up with an easier way from within the Edit window and that's all that I wanted.

My final "How it should have been done" would have sufficed.  Why you guys entered with all the other sundry stuff to add onto a simple Save was not necessary at all and makes it far more complex to sort through.

"The Edit window has the TIFF and JPG Save to image in there" is all that was needed.  Notice to I mentioned someone may come up with a way to do it in the editor, just I didn't find it until you brought it up - and at which point you also tried to go on making it seem harder in PS too which I understand.

I'm out.


Mack
2  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 04, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
Mack,
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So the "File" in the Editor is different than what "File" is in the Main window!  That's the trick!
It's no trick, just normal Windows, different window, different menu and if you'd read my first post properly, you'd have got there sooner  Roll Eyes
Terry

Geeze, no need for the condensation Terry for asking for an easier way!

The way you wrote your first explanation questioned Why using P2F (Which is why I didn't think this was a good way to save to begin with!!!), then pulled in a lot of the 'candy' portions (text, RAW, etc.), then you put the last sentence in the same paragraph explaining how to do it as though it were tied to the former.  That last sentence should have been in it's own paragraph to stand out without all the other Whys? and "If I did this or that" stuff, or ""convert" from the queue context menu" (Say huh?!?).  All I wanted was an easier way to "Save an image" than the current way the program seemed to work.


An easier way to explain it would have been:
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If you wish to save your edited work in QU, while you are in the "Edit" window where you've made your adjustments, go to File > Save as... (Upper left of that screen) and you can save to TIFF or JPG from there.  No need to try that from the Main window as it doesn't work as easily from there.

The "File" selection in the Editor's window has a different set of options than does the Main window in QU.  <-- This is the key solution.

Hope that helps!
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Note that nothing else like text, greeting cards, RAW, etc. was needed which convoluted the explanation.  Fred got it in a way that sunk in, although somewhat patronizing too.

Sheesh!  Ask a question around here and one gets blasted.  Shocked

Mack
3  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 03, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
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I'm not using text, mats, collages, greeting cards, frames, or whatever in QU (Your question #2).  That stuff is far too complex for me to dig into on a daily basis, and it isn't in my daily "Just print the darn thing and move on" workflow.  I'll use PS for that stuff as it saves normally to the image (AND QUICKLY!) and not in extra *.flt side files as does QU.  I just use QU for printing and minor print editing that I see from the printer only.  The extra candy mentioned is way too much for me to get involved with.

Now that you clarified that you never need Print to File, all we need do is explain how to save a picture that you worked on.

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There has to be a far better and easier (faster!) way to save an image to hand-off to someone else without going so far deep into the program, and then go back deep to put it back into print (default) mode.  Sorry, but it's getting far to complex for simple functions like print and save with all the fly-outs.

So all I have to do is explain how to SAVE AS and you should be happy, right?

While still in the Editor, simply click FILE and Save As....
A box opens to ask WHERE, and what name do you want to give it!!
Do you want a JPG or TIF?
Then it asks what color space you would like to save it in?

Select and OK


It's stickier in Photo Shop

Fred


There's the Ah-Ha! moment!  Smiley

So the "File" in the Editor is different than what "File" is in the Main window!  That's the trick!  They are set up differently and that's all I needed to know.

I was tearing my hair out with the other way to save an image going back and forth in the Main > "File" window.

All better now that I finally clicked on the Editor's "FILE" header and see it there and a straight-forward "Save as...(TIFF, JPG, etc.)" rather than that obscure Python language "Print to File" in the main one.

Thanks!

Mack
4  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: What is wrong with the sizing? on: November 03, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
Mack

24 x 17" seems a strange size - are you sure its not A2 (16.5 x 23.4"). This is a standard size and has a borderless setting in the Epson driver.

Brian

Brian-

Red River, Inkpress, and a few others sell cut paper in boxes in 17x25 inches which is close to the 24x36mm FX sensor (2:3) format.  It's called a full-frame digital paper.  Actually, 17 x 25.5 inches is perfect a FX ratio and I cut off rolls to that size (Actually 28" inches is what I cut as it seems to keep residual ink blots, roller messes, bent edges, etc, off the end that I can trim off later, and I do it on canvas too as it is finicky feeding and gets wrinkled and needs to be trimmed at times.) and print full frame.

Mack
5  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 03, 2014, 05:54:53 PM
Mack,
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just to save an edited image in QU seems very odd and laborious.
You have completely ignored what I said in my post #2 on this matter, nor have you said that you actually needed to produce an image with text or mats. As I said there are several other "conventional" ways to save an edited image.
"Print to" is not an unusual concept: PDF software is a "printer driver" so it's print to pdf. Print to file has been in QU from very early days and was introduced to enable users to send images to an external print facility with the right profile and a re-sized image made with QU's superior interpolation. In recent times P2F has been developed to make it more versatile.
So, only use P2F if you really need to include print features in the image.
Terry
Terry,

I'm not using text, mats, collages, greeting cards, frames, or whatever in QU (Your question #2).  That stuff is far too complex for me to dig into on a daily basis, and it isn't in my daily "Just print the darn thing and move on" workflow.  I'll use PS for that stuff as it saves normally to the image (AND QUICKLY!) and not in extra *.flt side files as does QU.  I just use QU for printing and minor print editing that I see from the printer only.  The extra candy mentioned is way too much for me to get involved with.

On the QU editing end, it is laborious to save an image for a client out of QU once printer/editing only functions are applied, no?  A simple "Save the image" without a bunch fly-outs, subsequent pop-up boxes, then needing click "Print" to even save it from another pop-out box, hunt down the folder it went to, then go back in the File menu and change it all back to the default "Print to Printer" stuff is arduous at best - and forgetful too.

There has to be a far better and easier (faster!) way to save an image to hand-off to someone else without going so far deep into the program, and then go back deep to put it back into print (default) mode.  Sorry, but it's getting far to complex for simple functions like print and save with all the fly-outs.

Mack
6  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 03, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
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Wish the software had an easier way of saving our altered Qimage files than changing the pull-down to read "Print to File" and then the need again to hit "Print" again to assign it into a folder to save and see it.  Then having to go back in and alter it to "Print to Printer" to send it to the printer.  

This is not true.


If you want to PRINT with text or mats, just print.!
You don't have to convert that to a Print to File.

You only have to use P2F for emails and making an image for someone else that has mats.

You don't even have to save it for yourself.
Once you have made your print, you can always get it back exactly the same as it was before from File/Auto Job log, select it and OPEN.


Fred

Fred,

You are correct in that I want to hand the image file back to someone so they can get the edited result.   They do not have QU and hand it off to their printer (Who uses Macs.).  They wouldn't know what to do with the side-file QU uses for the image so saving the image as a TIFF works better for the hand back of the image.

It's just that QU has a very obscure way of saving an edited image (to later give away) in the File menu.  I understand "Print" and "Save," but "Print to File" and "Print to Printer" (Very redundant!) just to save an edited image in QU seems very odd and laborious.  Then one has to hit the "Print" button tab to Save the image in yet another pop-up box.  Then locating it in a {Q}Print file when most other software just apply their extension in a "Save image" like _DxO.tif or _copy.tif or _01.tif or even _copy_copy_.tif (or _.psd) as onONe does on multiple edits.  And once done in QU, then one has to go back to check "Print to Printer" to put it back into printing mode.

Something simple like File > Save Image is so much easier than the current incantation and menu footwork.  Just save the image with a _DSC7321_QU.tif extension in the same folder or something.

In my way of understanding QU's File menu.  Huh?


Now someone will tell me there is a one-step "Save image" button in the Editor somewhere - ugh!  Wink

Mack
7  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: What is wrong with the sizing? on: November 03, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Interesting info on the "Borderless" Brian.  Thanks.

What I found was the "Page Layout" tab in the Epson driver screen has the "Print to Size" box checked and it showed the "Size:  17 x25 inches -> 8.5 x 11 inches" the first (Main)  tab.  I don't know why or how that "Print to size" gets checked (Default?), but when the Main tab's "Size:  window" has some -> it seems to be the issue and why it changed back to 8.5 x 11 inches.  I had 17.00 and 25.00 as the fill-ins, but it somehow goes to 8.50 to 11.00?

QU reports the size correctly in its window, but the Epson driver sure can fuddle the printing up if one doesn't pay attention to all the fine print in the Epson pop-up driver stuff.  Doesn't show the size issue that's about to go wrong when the Epson driver shows a "Preview" either (I don't see any size numbers there.).

Mack
8  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / What is wrong with the sizing? on: November 03, 2014, 12:20:16 AM
I set the printer and Qimage for 17x 25 inches.  All seems well and QU shows 16.994 x 24.994in in the right window pane.

Epson was set at "User defined" 17 x 25 inches too.  Paper thickness at 3, Color Management Off.  Etc.

Then when it prints, it reverts back to 8.5 x 11 inches so I waste a sheet of 17 x25 inch paper.   Angry  QU still shows 16.994 x 24.994 inches in the right pane.

What is going on here?  Huh?

Ver. 2015.107 fwiw.

add:

For some reason, even though I entered 17 x25 inches as "User Defined" and selected that in the Epson driver, it shows in "Size: 17 x 25 inches -> A4 210 x 297 mm"   Huh? Huh?

That 17 x25 is messing me up as the other part of 210 x 297 is 8.5 inches by 11 inches?  No?

How do I get this to work without wasting paper?


Mack
9  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: v2015.107 issues/comments on: November 02, 2014, 09:47:45 PM
Since I had to find my old post one how to save an edited image again this AM, and then trying to find it in the weird {Q}Prints folder....  Sad

Wish the software had an easier way of saving our altered Qimage files than changing the pull-down to read "Print to File" and then the need again to hit "Print" again to assign it into a folder to save and see it.  Then having to go back in and alter it to "Print to Printer" to send it to the printer.  Seems a lot of wasted effort for a simple "Save image" and "Print to File" makes no sense at all.  You print or you don't, but a "Print to file?"

Seems it would be easier to have a "Save to File" in the initial pull-down menu for a Qimage edited/altered print than going through all the menus to get it to Save an edited image.

Mack
10  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Exposure, Histograms & Noise - A Test on: October 30, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
QU has a histogram in it?  Huh?

Maybe a Printogram?

Mack
11  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Does the Unclogger work with 4x6 inch printers? on: September 05, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
Add:

Had to uninstall and reinstall the Epson drivers.  The first re-install of the drivers go stuck too.  Had to do a uninstall from the Device Manager and then the installation worked.  QU also operates now too with the small Epson Charm.

However, the clog on the cyan still was there and came back severly to the point only two of the cyan blocks on all the diagonals showed up in Epson Nozzle Check.  Took two flushings and more cyan came back and the magenta began to clog, or perhaps got some air due to the cart changeout.

Let it sit overnight and it is flowing and working again and all nozzles are firing.

I did notice that in the newest QU with the diagonals they are very faint compared to the Epson diagonals.  I could barely see them even with partially plugged colors or fully working ones.  I don't know if Epson has some special design and angle in their nozzle check pattern that picks up all the nozzles in their sloped design and thickness of the blocks in the staggered pattern.

Least it's working again, but seems to be the worst clogger I got out of 6 printers - and it is dye ink too!  I can be assured of a clog within one week with it, and when it loses only one bar in the Epson nozzle check it shows as a faint line about 2-3mm apart.

Mack
12  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Does the Unclogger work with 4x6 inch printers? on: September 03, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
Just got back from store with new ink cart.  Installed and nozzle check shows cyan still messed up, maybe air in line on changeover.

Into QU now.

Well, Windows 8.1 sees the printer, but it isn't working at all from QU.  QU shows it as an active printer and paper size is 4x6 so they are talking to each other.

QU shows "Finished Processing" for the Unclogger pattern in 4x6, the Epson printer window pops up, and the screen on the printer's LCD says "Printing..." and that's all that happens.  No print comes out of it even 5 minutes now.   Huh?

Okay, Now the Epson printer window now just popped up an "Error-Printing" under the Status column in the menu bar.  Printer LCD still shows "Printing..."

I hit Cancel on the printer (Stop/Clear button with a red X) and it says "Canceling..." but that seems stuck too.  Been two minutes now and still "Cancelling..."

Time for "Power Off" button I guess?

Guess it won't.  I need to find out more and try reloading all the drivers and software for it maybe.

Mack
13  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Does the Unclogger work with 4x6 inch printers? on: September 03, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
Turns out my Epson Charm PM-225 clogged and ran out of ink.  This damn dye-ink printer does it once a week and it just did it again.  One small missing diagonal and the prints show a fine light-colored/white line every 3-4mm in the print.  I'm going to start wrapping it in plastic with a wet towel and see if it stops clogging.

So I ran its cleaning maintenance which wastes a lot of ink, and it ran out of ink on the cyan.  Bad part is you have to buy both the ink cart (all colors) as well as the paper a s a bundle, about $40-$50 depending on local store. Seems I never get the entire 150 sheets timed with its cartridge as it always runs out of ink around 80 prints, but Epson buys the blanks back at 30 cents each.  Prints do look very good - when it works right.  People like printing with it in the field as it runs on a snap-in battery.

Does QU operate the Unclogger with smaller paper printers like the Canon and Epson portables that only accept smaller papers like 4x6 or 5x7?

Tia.

Mack
14  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Can this be added to the Unclogger? on: August 30, 2014, 01:56:00 PM
While it may not be particulary difficult, it is bothersome, and requires an additional piece of paper.  It would be extremely useful if the unclog routine could print a nozzel check pattern at the bottom of the page on which the unclog pattern is printed.  Granted it would require reducing the height of the individual stripes in the pattern, but would give an immediate indication of whether another unclog print should be run.  Now, it may be that due to technical reasons this may not be possible, but if it is possible, it would provide a direct metod of determining the success of the unclog operation.

I can add a sweep pattern that consists of diagonal lines for each color at the bottom.  That will provide some idea of the overall condition, but it will never be a replacement for a true nozzle check.  I cannot control each individual nozzle via the driver so even diagonal lines will look perfect if only a few nozzles are clogged.  Best you could do is look at those lines for "roughness" but honestly, banding shows up in the bottom row of the nozzle pattern if you have more than just a couple clogged nozzles.

Mike

Mike, wouldn't a diagonal show a clogged nozzle easier than the current straight "unlcogger lines" now?  I cannot tell from the straight band-type lines if a nozzle isn't firing as the bands are only straight parallel lines and maybe not utilizing a nozzle in the head that is indeed clogged in the straight line printed.  A diagonal that utilizes all of the head may show it?  Might show up as being a jagged block where it could be a smooth band now if that one nozzle is out of the loop in the unclogger pattern.

Personally, the Epson Nozzle Check pattern is very fine and almost hard to see (Yellow), or the Gloss Optimizer (clear) or a very light black in the K7 piezo inksets.  Epson must have some reason for doing it that way, or maybe their method utilizes all the nozzles in the head and sets the bad one apart?

My two cents.

Mack
15  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Can this be added to the Unclogger? on: August 27, 2014, 05:55:38 PM
...

Another thought I have is if Qimage could print a very small footprint nozzle check pattern that could be included in (or just outside) margins of a printed image?  I suggest this as when i had the lt lt black clog it was not immediately apparent in the images as missing lt lt grey just reduces texture gradient and for some images this is very subtle.  I made about 6 prints before I realized what was going on.

+2

I have to run a Epson nozzle check first, then maybe a QU Unclog if a nozzle is clogged on the diagonal, and then another Epson nozzle check after that QU Unclog pattern run as I am not sure what colors, bands, or stripes in QU show the nozzle clog.

Fwiw, on the other B&W printer I have to remember not to ever use the Auto Nozzle Check (only Manual) from the printer's menu with K7 Piezo inksets as they confuse the printer as there is no color.  Big waste of ink if it cannot figure out what is going on, but that's not a QU problem.

Mack
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