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1  Forum Rules, Status, and Info / Forum Feedback, Status, Issues, etc. / Printing the printer targets on: October 06, 2023, 05:00:00 AM
I'm setting up profile prism again. I used it some time ago, but I am giving another attempt. When making the two on one page printer target is the IT8 target that was scanned initially in PP, or is it the original target supplied by Wolf Faust and others.

Cheers
Greg Nixon.
2  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Re: Some questions about printer profiling. on: August 07, 2011, 10:47:24 AM
Good evening all and thanks for your replies.

@Terry-M: No I don't have Qimage, but I will download the trial and compare the profile results.
The print setup page that I was referring to is the print setup page within Photoshop. I still am not sure what is correct there. I would normally choose "PhotoShop Manages Colour" and then type in the appropriate printer profile.
The print driver settings that I use are "No Colour Management" which excludes ICM, sRGB, PhotoEnhanced4 and colour controls. You have confirmed that is correct.
I will print the test image and use that for comparison. I have printed the normal target but the bright target works better I think. This printer would fall into the category of older Epson printers.
Thanks for your help

@Fred A Yes, the printed file is the correct size. Yes I have tried the edit mode, but using a photo instead of the test image is not the way to go about it. I will print the test image and use that to tweak the settings.
6x4 Premium Glossy Photo Paper? Thats where the problem is. Epson does not have a profile for that paper. The only Profiles for the 2000P are: Archival Matte, Premium Semigloss Photo Paper, Glossy Paper Photo Weight. Added later were: Premium Lustre Paper and Water Colour Paper Radiant White. I think the others were left out because the paper and pigment ink combinations did not meet the lightfast specs. The Epson 2000P was the first Epson printer to use pigment inks, but things have moved on a lot since then.

@rayw I think what you are telling me here is to use my normal colour space, like Adobe RGB, to view the test image and then print the image using the new profile that I just created with Prism. Thats good advice.

Thank you all for your input, I'll have another shot at it.

Cheers
Greg
3  Mike's Software / Profile Prism / Some questions about printer profiling. on: August 06, 2011, 03:01:57 AM
I have an older Epson 2000P. I have had it for some time but have never really been happy with the colour quality. I bought profile Prism a number of years ago, but failed to get anything that even remotely resembled a good profile.
The canned Epson Profiles with the correct paper are not too bad, but I would like to take advantage of the newer papers, particularly the 6x4 packs.

Now with Prism 7 I have started again.

I load the bright target file into PS CS3 and the first question is "this image does not have an embedded profile"
What is the correct answer to this question, do not colour manage, assign working profile or assign another Profile?
I'm not sure what it should be. I chose do not colour manage.

In the print setup page, I can choose, Printer manages colour, Photoshop manages colour or no colour management. What is the correct answer here? I chose no colour management. I could choose Printer manages colour as all the managment settings in the printer are turn off.

In the printer dialog box, the paper selected is Glossy Paper Photo weight, which is what I am using. There is Graphic - Photo or fine, I chose photo. Next is ICM Disabled, host or printer, I chose disabled. Overide with presets is off and Microweave is on.
Any comment on those settings?

When I print the Bright Target using PS CS3, at the correct size, everything looks ok, by eye. The dark end squares at the bottom are not blocked up but there is little difference in the first two sets of white squares. It doesn't look too bad.

Now the scanning the printed target and the IT8 target
I use a Canon 8800F with Vuescan.
I am scanning to a raw file, does the scanner profile setting have an effect here. I would have thought not as the output is raw.
The IT8 target scans with only 3 errors, one at each end of the grey scale, and the top patch of column 15.
The printer scan with 30 patches at min/max brightness. These are n the top line where the whites are the same brightness. The printed squares look grainy, It is magnified a lot, but there is a bit too much grain for my liking. Any suggestions there? The histogram does show a small amount of clipping there.

The profile that is created is not as good as the canned epson profile. I am using a photo that has a lot of foliage in it and the light greens are dominant, the brownish leaves are green which they should not be.

So where to from here. I some kind soul could check the procedure I have outlined and suggest whether that is correct or not.

After I load the newly created profile, should I print the test image rather than using a photo? should I reprint and rescan the bright target?

Thanks for any help.

Cheers
Greg Nixon



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