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1  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: August 04, 2016, 05:37:33 PM

Fred, you are not picky at all.  I usually insist on what the colors should look like compared to the original but with the colors being sooo far off I was just plain thankful this one is even in the same universe.  The image above was on Epson Vivid.  I also printed one using Epson Fix Photo which is a better color match, especially the purple shade of sky.  These being prints of drawings and paintings instead of photos (realism) I have a bit of leeway in color differences.

Affordability is the reason I'm using third party ink.  Having to work with this for now, I should let the printer decide color management and try different setting under that since that seems the most successful so far?

Mike, you're right on some paper working better then others.  Printing on Epson Ultra Premium Matte come out disastrous where as the Inkpress Luster paper is a lot more acceptable.

Fred, thank you for sharing your experience with third party inks.  Now I know what to expect and what to keep an eye on.

I truly appreciate all your input.  It has helped tremendously.
2  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 31, 2016, 08:31:06 PM
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Thank you Fred and Mike!

Nozzle check shows no broken lines.

I have third party CIS ink.  The image below shows the range of colors from this ink.  The drawing on the right is the original while the left one is printed on a premium luster paper with setting on Color Control, Epson Vivid, using ACDSee editing program.  So far this is the only artwork that prints up in an acceptable way.  And this is only so on this luster paper.  No other artwork printed on any paper/setting come close to the original.

The soft proof looks exactly like the scan, which is very acceptable.  Does this mean the error is with my printer?  If so, does this printer issue affect all prints?  As you can see, the image below, although not a perfect match, seems balanced in colors.

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just as some background, the screen views in QU including the print preview are based only on your monitor profile.  The printer profile is not considered for screen views.  By using soft proof, the image is sent to the printer profile first and then back to the monitor: in order to show you what the print should look like when printed (think of soft proofing as a way to see what your printer profile is doing... but view that on the monitor).  So a soft proof view, even though it is on screen, does take into account the printer profile so if a soft proof looks green, it's due to a bad printer profile.
Thank you for the information.






3  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 29, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

Sorry about Dropbox making you sign up to access file.  I hate signing up for anything on demand too.  It didn't use to that.  Glad I know that so I wont use it with people who don't have it.

Your prints came out with the full range of colors. 

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I also printed a set, side by side using Perceptual and Colorimetric intents. Slight difference in saturation, but no difference in tint/hue.
The saturation difference, was it more intense or less?

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Also want to mention that the  color space of your two samples is slightly different in that the one Named UNSPECIFIED 1 added Black Scaled in the colorspace attached to it, so the contrast might show a skinch different.

The 2 files are different only in that one was sized down to 4x6.  Now that you mentioned it I looked at them side by side on the same monitor and see a difference.  It's interesting to know that a (any) maneuver can change other aspects of a file. 

I will run the cleaning cycles ad nozzle check.  Thanks for the tip on looking careful at the lines. 


4  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 28, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
The image on the left is printed using ACDSee photo editing program.  Although it's missing mauve/rust it's a lot less green the the one on the right which is printed with QU (ICM on but No Color Adjustment).

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If you put your cursor (hover) over teh thumbnail of that image, what doe the hotbar say> See screen snap.
With or without asterisks.

Do you mean the hotbar info with the fox thumbnail in QU?



I have emailed you a link of the artwork image in Dropbox.  Please let me know if it's not accessible.
5  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 28, 2016, 07:59:34 PM
Sorry Fred.  If you can't understand something it must be me.  I skip words.

The image that shows the 3 items, the left one is the original artwork.  The middle is the new print with the settings as you advised (ICM on but No Color Adjustment).  The one on the right is a print I included to show you that the printer seems to have all it's colors/nozzles working.

In QU screen the colors look right and closely match the artwork.  Once printed, it's always a more green/blue cast and lacking the mauve in the tree trunks and the russet of the fur.  Even with the latest adjustment.

The print of the girl was done with a different photo editing program (ACDSee).  It prints with a more balanced color range although it varies with different drawings.

 
6  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 28, 2016, 04:50:46 PM
Thank you for including me in your Skype time Fred and Terry!  I've done as you suggested.  The print appears the same as before with ICM and OFF on Color Adjustment. 

The image below is the print next to the artwork.   I've include another print that is almost true to the artwork, which is good enough.  It shows a full range of colors.  Does that indicate all the colors flow good?

7  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 28, 2016, 03:50:10 AM


I know this is more of a photo forum so what I'm trying to do is a bit different.   While most are printing photos they shot I am scanning drawing/paintings and printing them to look like the original artwork.  It's obvious when the color is off. 

I don't even know what I'm trying to say except this is daunting, all the different ways prints come out.  I'm trying different papers, settings and artworks and different programs to print with.  Photoshop is pretty off.  QU is more green and blue overcast on the different artworks I've printed.  ACDSee, although off on color, is actually the closest, when I print on the basic Color control Epson Vivid or Fix Photo, which I tried out of curiosity. 

I want to sell prints of original drawings but can't seem to get colors to match close enough or know where to start fixing.  Crazy.

Thanks for all your patience.  It's hard to trouble shoot something with so many variables.

8  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 27, 2016, 11:31:21 PM
Here I used a premium luster paper and the image was saturated and as intense as the original except for the missing red/mauve.  I made sure to choose the recommended settings.

9  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 27, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
Thank you for the screen shot.  Here's mine.



The printer paper profile matched the QU paper profile and matched the paper used.
10  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 27, 2016, 04:51:52 PM
I carefully followed all the setting selections as shown in the videos.  No color management was selected.  Nozzle check was fine.

I have printed on Epson Ultra Premium Presentation Matte with the correct paper selection previously.  For this print I selected presentation paper matte to match the paper I used.  

Terry, Is this info you're referring to?  I don't know what my Epson Perfection 4990 scanner does but the scans and prints (not printed by me and on a variety of medias) come out matching the original artwork.



I have to say that the first print on this printer was made on Inkpress luster paper and it came out perfect and beautiful.  I will use it for certain artwork that require that paper.  It is just a bit too 'photo' for certain artwork reproduction.  I would also like to print on lightly textured paper to resemble watercolor once I get this matte paper sorted out.  

Does having had a perfect print indicate the settings on all my devices are compatible?

I want to thank you all for your help.  I really appreciate it.
11  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 27, 2016, 06:05:10 AM
Thank you for your patience Terry.  I believe I have the images working in the posts above.  Please let me know if not.

I will do a nozzle check first thing in the morning.
12  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 26, 2016, 10:12:49 PM


The printer is brand new and these are only the 4th and 5th prints.
13  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Re: Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 26, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
Not sure if I sure sort out one question at a time but the other issue is white border printed uneven as you can see in the image above.  Although this just might be my paper holder not being very snug leaving room for movement.  This is what my screen looks like so if it's something I didn't set correctly maybe someone can tell me.  Thanks for your help.

14  Mike's Software / Qimage Ultimate / Print color not matching Qimage view on: July 26, 2016, 06:36:21 PM
I just found Qimage and am trying to use it to solve color difference problem in printing.  I scanned a watercolor and ink drawing to print with my new Epson 1430.  

My monitor isn't calibrated but I never have problems with colors on screen not matching my scanned artwork.  The colors also show up accurate in Qimage window but the print comes out very green/blue.  Image below is original and printed.

I watched the videos and checked all the correct boxes for paper and color management.  What else could it be?
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