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« on: April 21, 2010, 06:54:08 PM » |
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Has anyone here had any experience of this printer? I have a friend who bought one as an economical photo printer but Canon do not offer any profiles for it. It seems to be only 4 or 5 colours so, despite what Canon say in their information and the fact they don't provide profiles, it cannot be a true photo printer. I just wish he'd asked before buying, a budget Epson with 6 colours would have been better I think  However, I'm going to try to make some profiles for him with Profile Prism and calibrate his new monitor. Terry. |
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Ken
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 09:11:08 PM » |
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Hello Terry....I have used QImage and Mike's other products for a couple of years now.
I have been reluctant to join the forum since all of you have a vastly superior knowledge of photography and photographic terms. Did not think I could really ever contribute...just learned from reading all of your posts.
Well, I just saw your post re:Canon IP4700.
I am a Canon user....Camera, Printers, Paper, Ink and even my scanner.
I own a Canon IP4600. (had HP and Epsons before) I cannot speak for anyone else, but my experience with the 4600 has produced exceptional results. I'm sure that QImage has alot to do with that.
I do not use a "specific" profile, other than the paper I choose, Photo Paper Plus Glossy II.
I also, in Print Setup Properties, set Custom print quality to highest setting.
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Terry-M
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 09:22:30 PM » |
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Hi Ken, I do not use a "specific" profile, other than the paper I choose, Photo Paper Plus Glossy II.
I also, in Print Setup Properties, set Custom print quality to highest setting. Is your monitor calibrated and are you getting good monitor to print colour matching? Also, have you tried using Qimage Colour Management set to "Let Printer Driver Manage Colour"? This is often a good compromise if you do not have a custom profile; Qimage uses its own generic profile. In addition to the paper type and quality setting, the driver has to be set to Manual with "Matching" set to ICM. That's what I'll try for my friend as a first-off before attempting to make a profile, after calibrating his monitor. Terry. |
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Ken
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 10:04:54 PM » |
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Terry,
I also have a Camera Profile from Mike used in QImage
My monitor is calibrated using the Huey Pro..Color Temp D50, Gamma 2.40.. It took allot of time, ink, paper and testing two years ago but now (believe it or not) the colors are perfect. I changed all of my light bulbs in my photo/office space to 5000k lighting.
Printer Properties:
Color Intensity set to Manual...Color Adjust set to Standard.
Matching Color Adjustment correction set to: Driver Matching.
I tried setting to "ICM" and also "None" and got poor results.
QImage set to Let printer/driver manage color
QImage preferences:
Relative Colormetric
Black Point compensation
Hope that helps....BTW I was not suggesting in my first post that HP and Epson were not good products. With my ALL canon setup, everything just seems to work perfectly. The local Canon Dealer that specializes in printing cannot compare with the results I obtain with QImage.
Ken
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Terry-M
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2010, 10:50:21 PM » |
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Ken, Thanks for the feedback it is very helpful and encouraging for me to get my friend sorted out. I had wondered about that "driver matching" setting, I must read the Canon driver Help to see what it actually means  Terry. |
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Steve W
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2010, 11:15:24 PM » |
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Terry, Are you sure that there were not a set of Canon paper profiles installed when the ip4700 printer driver was installed? I have many Canon printers (but not the ip4700) and everyone installed a set of Canon paper profiles for their various papers. Also see this post on dpreview from another ip4700 owner: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=33861505&changemode=1He seems to have gotten a set of profiles to install. Steve W. |
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Terry-M
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 07:32:14 AM » |
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Hi Steve, Thanks for the information. Are you sure that there were not a set of Canon paper profiles installed when the ip4700 printer driver was installed? I've not been able to get at my friend's PC yet but I have installed the Canon ip4700 driver on my own PC, and yes, the profiles are there. The descriptions are still somewhat confusing even with the information from DP Review. Glossy 1, 2 .... etc. does not entirely match the descriptions in the driver. I'm not sure what paper my friend is using, it'll be next week when I get there. Terry |
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Steve W
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 01:59:26 AM » |
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Terry,
If you are questioning what the number means - it is the print quality setting under Main/Print Quality/Custom in the printer driver setup. 1 is Highest Quality and 2, 3 ,4 are lower. So Photo Paper Pro 1 is highest quality print setting with that particular Canon paper, etc.
Steve W.
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Ken
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2010, 05:24:27 AM » |
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Hi Steve,
When using my Canon IP4600 I set the paper options, quality setting, etc within the Canon Printer Properties. Then set QImage to handle the rest. My results have been exceptional and accurate.
I am aways willing to learn. Am I missing something by selecting those profile options within the printer settings, as opposed to manually picking a profile and directing it to QImage in some manner?
Thank you for your input.
Ken
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Terry-M
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2010, 10:20:29 AM » |
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Steve, If you are questioning what the number means - it is the print quality setting under Main/Print Quality/Custom in the printer driver setup. 1 is Highest Quality and 2, 3 ,4 are lower Thanks for that info. I'm not sure what paper my friend is using, he he may have a stock of non-Canon paper but iit's helpful to know for choosing the nearest equivalent. Ken, When using my Canon IP4600 I set the paper options, quality setting, etc within the Canon Printer Properties. Then set Qimage to handle the rest. My results have been exceptional and accurate.
I am always willing to learn. Am I missing something by selecting those profile options within the printer settings, as opposed to manually picking a profile and directing it to Qimage in some manner? You are doing ok.  Setting the driver, from within Qimage (so it's remembered) using the little icon 3rd from the right at the top is the correct thing to do. As you say, set "paper options, quality setting, etc". as opposed to manually picking a profile and directing it to Qimage in some manner? There may be some confusion with terminology, tell me if I'm wrong. When we speak of profile we mean an ICC profile for the printer and it's specific for a printer, paper and ink. This is set in Qimage but the driver must be set for "None" in the "Matching" tab. This is full colour management. Rather than the half-way house of "let driver manage colour" As Steve has said, icc profiles for Canon paper are installed for you when the driver is installed and the printer connected. See screen snap attached of the Qimage settings when using a Canon Photo Paper Pro II on your printer. I think that's the correct profile from the link that Steve gave. Keep asking, this is proving to be a useful exchange of information, me being an Epson user. Terry. |
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Steve W
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2010, 01:13:40 PM » |
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Ken,
You appear to be doing it exactly the correct way. Just make sure that you select Main/Color Intensity, select Manual and select None. But I bet you have already done this. I have a Canon Pro9000 MkII that it is a little harder to find the None setting on.
Steve W.
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Ken
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2010, 06:48:41 PM » |
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Terry & Steve,
My setup is different. I remembered going through this before when I used up much paper & ink setting up my two Canon Printers (the other one is a MP830). Before I sent this response, I setup my Canon Profile and Qimage the way you both suggested and the prints are not as color accurate or as sharp. If I set the ICC Profile specific in Qimage to CNBJPRN2.ICM it comes out close if I have the Canon Properties Matching set to "driver matching". If I set the matching to "none" the print is very dark and colors not accurate. I still must be missing something according to the way it is "supposed to be setup."
Currently for my best results:
Canon Properties matching is set to "driver matching" and in:
Qimage the Prtr ICC is set to "let printer/driver manage color".
Since I am not following directions to get the best results, I conclude I must be doing something wrong. I don't know how I am getting the results I am getting based on what you are both telling me. You know much more about this than me. Now I am doubting my setup even though it seems to produce excellent results. Appreciate your feedback and help for this novice.
Ken
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Terry-M
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2010, 07:38:34 PM » |
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Ken, If I set the ICC Profile specific in Qimage to CNBJPRN2.ICM That profile is not an IP4700-Paper specific profile; it looks like a generic profile that a printer uses from the driver, it may not even be for the 4700. When choosing a profile from within image, you can see the description which for that one says, "BJ Color Printer Profile 2000" That explains why it did not work for you  The description for a correct profile for a specific paper (a gloss I think) typically says, Canon 4700 Series GL2/SG2. What you are doing using the "let driver manage colour" mode is fine and you seem very happy with the results but I thought it a good idea to explain why you had a problem with that particular ICM file  Terry. |
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Ken
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2010, 09:38:43 PM » |
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Terry,
First, thank you so much for your help. Before I joined the Forum, I always Emailed Mike for help. His responses and customer service have aleways been outstanding....even put up with my stupid questions at times.
My Printer is the IP4600. I thought, based on what I saw on the web re Canon IP4600 Profiles, that I was using the correct ICC or ICM profile. Obviously not! I am using Photo Paper Plus Glossy II. So if anyone knows what profile I should be using I want to try what you and Steve suggested. Obviously I would not get the best results if I'm using the wrong profile. I am a perfectionist so I desire the best results. Still willing to learn. Thank you for the continued input.
Ken
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Ken
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2010, 04:41:42 AM » |
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Terry,
I found what I believe to be the correct profile (Canon IP4600 Series GL2/SG2 (RC,BPC)) Followed your instructions with the correct profile.
Thank you! I did not believe the prints could be better. They are!
Thank you for your help. Qimage is the best!
Ken
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