Hi all thankyou for reading my thread

i have just recently bought a new canon pixma 9000 mk2 printer.
i am having some problems getting the right colours especialy browns.
i do interior visualisation using 3dsmax and mental ray.
and am currently using photoshop to post production my images.

i render all my images untagged, in tiff format. A3 size 150 dpi.
my monitor is calibrated its a new hp s2331a 23 inch lcd.

i have used cannon printers for some time now.

iwhen i go to print i convert the image to the s rgb profile then enter the printer setting disable color management by selecting none.
i then select the canon paper i am using which is semi gloss pro 2

i go back to the photshop print preview and allow photoshop to mange colours and then select the printers profile which is GL1

i then print.......this usually works fine on my old mp610 with no probs maybe sometimes i have to kill the megenta because of canon red syndrome.
but apart from that the prints are presentable.

this time all colours seem to have a blue cool tint running through them.......at the moment i am rendering some brown tiles and the specular high light looks bluish and the brown is actually more black..... i recently used some cheaper ink cartridges and i think this is when the problems started....so i reverted back to canon only cartridges.......

my btheoryn is thatb the cheaper ink has a higher viscosity then the normal canon inks so is thicker and harder to thin.

is their a way if this is the case to flush all the pipes through with cleaning fluid if the is such a thing ?

or am i just a complete retard and have been printing petty good prints with other canon printers just by pure luck.....

all help gratefully recieved as my boss is not happy that his investment does nt work properly because of using cheaper cartridges.

thanks guys

if GL1 is nt a canon printer profile i dont know what is ? i use that profile because anm using canons own semi glossy paper. this printing is very complicated art, you would have thought by 2010 this could have all be simplified by all manufacturers but again this would be to easy .

thanks for your help

Hey my friend am not getting shirty with you !!!!!!!!!! i really apprieciate your help seriously. sorry if ive come accross this way but i have nt intended to. i always say a senternce can be read a million ways..
but i genuinely do thankyou for you advice......

here is a step by step insight into what i have been doing

1... open image in photoshop, the image is untagged so i convert the image in to adobe rgb, perceptual, use black point compensation checked and dither checked.

2...file=edit Print

3...print diolage displays

colour management=document (adobe 1998)

colour handling=photoshop manages colours

printer profile=canon pro9000 mark2<GL><pp>photopaper plus glossy

rendering intent=perceptual(black point compensater unchecked (as i did this when i converted the untagged image to adobe RGB, i have also checked it with the same results)

Then page set up, then the canon OSD displays
navigate to the main tab

media type=photo paper plus glossy 2
print quality =standard
colour intensity=manuel
click set
navigate to matching tab=select none
paper size A4
borderless printing enabled
navigate from the canon OSD back to photoshops print preview screen
click done
save image again
then file print
click print
Actually print this time

the image is a scene of a bathroom basin with tumbled marble tiles, behaind the basin is a brown tile splash back.
 the pocelian is white the tiles look desaturated (darker) the brown splash looks black instead of brown and the specular high light looks blue which is confusing as the basin looks white so why cant the specular highlight not look white when it does on screen..
very confusing..

again thankyou for your input

I know when I first started I really struggled with color management. I don't know if the following helps or not.

1st lets talk about the monitor. To properly profile you can use something like Profile Prism which is a software solution or else use some kind of device (like a Color Munki, or some other).. This will put your monitor in a known state and proper brightness for the environment you process your pictures in. The better the profile (which you should do on a timely basis) the closer the colors on the screen will match your printer output.

2nd - Your paper profile - These can either be supplied by the paper manufacturer or you can make your own with a device like the Color Munki. These profiles are the icc profiles that match the amount of ink laid down, platen gaps, etc.

3rd - Your print driver - This comes with your printer. When you ask your printing program to print (Qimage, Photoshop, Gimp, NX2, Elements, etc) it will call the driver. You then tell the driver what page size, paper type (glossy, matte, canvas, etc). There should be a selection for the printer, photoshop, or NO Color Management. If you are using color profiles for the paper you should check NO Color Management.

So...

Edit picture (if for the web use srgb, if you are going to print use adobe rgb1998).

When you call your printer (either from photoshop or qimage) you tell the print driver the paper type, size, No Color Mgmt.

In your print software (qimage) you pick your paper profile (generally supplied by the paper mfg or made by you with a Color Munki or some other device.

Now when you print your picture should match the picture on the screen.

Hang in there. It eventually came to me. There is a lot of help here and elsewhere.

Mike

djwang--  You should never select the monitor profile as the Working RGB color space in Photoshop.  The Canon Pixma Pro 9000 mkII has quite a wide color gamut, so I would use Adobe RGB throughout your color management workflow.

First step in any color managed workflow is hardware calibrating your monitor with a calibration tool like the X-Rite iOne Display 2 or the DataColor Spyder3 Elite.

I'm afraid the monitor you just purchased is not really designed for color accuracy, but for video gaming and other multi-media use where color accuracy is not of prime importance.  Maybe it's not too late to return it and get something like the popular Dell U2311h with a very color accurate IPS type display panel.