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Author Topic: Epson 3800 or 3880  (Read 55629 times)
mburke
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« on: November 30, 2009, 02:15:30 PM »

Does anyone know if Qimage will let you print a longer length than the 37" (?) that these printers allow? I would imagine you could set up a roll behind the printer and feed from the back but I don't know if you can override the driver. Anyone have any success doing something  like a 16 x48?

I currently use a 2200 (does really nice prints) but I am looking to get a little wider printer and I'm not sure if I want to go to the 4800 series because of desk space and cost. I hear some wonderful things about the quality of the 3800 series and it seems to be a good bang for the buck, except for the length issue.

Thanks,

Mike
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 02:57:04 PM »

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16 x48?
Mike,
To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to user define a page larger than the limits set in the driver. There is no provision for roll paper..
If you open User defined size, you can see the limits;17 x 37.4 inches.

Don't know how to get around that.

Fred
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 06:45:17 PM »

Thanks Fred,

In the past with my 2200 I have printed some canvas and luster prints that were 12.5 x 35 (or approx 3:1) I thought I would like to do the same with the wider printer (i.e. 16 x 48). I guess I'll have to live with 16 x 37. Thanks for the info.

Mike
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 07:49:35 PM »

I have done some extensive searching on google for epson 3800 roll paper and after reading thru a bunch of posts on lots of websites it looks like some people have tried cutting roll paper and then using a rip (which none of them identify). If I'm only doing an occasional pano (16x48 or 60) I could live with that as long as the rip wasn't over 200-300 dollars. Any way, if anyone has heard of anything that might work I'd sure like to know. For 1,200 the 3800 sure looks like a great printer.

I'm assuming that rips would work with Qimage, because I sure wouldn't want to give that up.

Thanks,

Mike
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 08:57:15 AM »

Mike

Rips don't work with QI, they replace it - a Rip is basically a third party printer driver which replaces the epson driver and QI combination.
The problem I would have with printing longer than 37" is that Epson aren't famous for over-engineering their printers, and the 3880 paper feed may not be up to printing longer lengths reliably.

Brian
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 10:11:09 AM »

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The problem I would have with printing longer than 37" is that Epson aren't famous for over-engineering their printers, and the 3880 paper feed may not be up to printing longer lengths reliably.

Brian is 100% right.  I have a close friend here with a 3880 and feeding from the rear slot, max size even user defined is 37.4 inches.
If you were willingf to add 300 to 400 dollars for a rip, why noy add that to the price of the printer and go to the next step up... the 4000 series..e.g. 4400 4480.
They take 17.0 inch wide and roll paper long.
If you don't need the 17.0 wide, then you can back off to a 13" wide format printer.

Fred
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 04:15:23 PM »

Brian and Fred,

Thanks for your input. I have seen the Canon IPF6100 24" printer available for 1695 incl freight and with an extra set of starter inks (70ml). This seems like a great deal for a pretty large printer. I probably won't print too many 24" wide but the roll capability plus sheet feed of all the various sizes should be pretty beneficial. I don't have any experience with Canon printers but upon doing some research it seems like a pretty good printer at a very attractive price. The Epson 3880 is running anywhere from 1295 to 1495 if you can find one available.

Anyway, thanks for your help in identifying the issues with the 3800 series and rips working with Qimage. I can't imagine trying to print any other way than using Qimage. I love the fact I don't have to make all different kinds of files for different sizes. The sharpening is also a huge plus.

Have a Happy New Year,

Mike
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 07:04:24 PM »

Have seen this on the Web for a while now.

http://dahmerphotography.blogspot.com/

Works for a 3800 w/ driver ver 5.5
If anyone has a 3800, may be worth trying out, and its free.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 03:47:05 AM »

I had the same concerns about printing a long panorama on the 3800. The ColorBurst RIP (made specifically for the 3800) will allow you to print the images you want! I tried the 15 day free trail and have been making 60" prints myself. There are different versions for windows and Mac, be sure you get the right one. Cost is now $455, not cheap but it makes the 3800 into a much more versatile printer.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 12:26:08 PM »

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I had the same concerns about printing a long panorama on the 3800.
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The ColorBurst RIP (made specifically for the 3800) will allow you to print the images you want! ..... Cost is now $455, not cheap but it makes the 3800 into a much more versatile printer.
I have been following this thread and cannot understand the logic of the above suggestion. Why buy and expensive RIP when that $450 could be used to buy one of the 4000 series that take 17 inch wide and roll paper that enable long  panoramas when Qimage is used.
The original poster was concerned about cost, as well as desk space, but certainly from the cost point of view, a 4000 series seems to make more sense if you want long prints.
You know Qimage is a bargain  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 01:09:38 PM »

The logic is quite simple...I already own the 3800!!!
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 04:25:44 PM »

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The logic is quite simple...I already own the 3800!!!
It's not for the original poster.
In a previous life, if I'd purchased a machine that only made shafts up to 2m long when the requirement was 5M, I would not be having such a comfortable retirement now. Know your customer requirements and specify the hardware accordingly.  Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 01:46:53 AM »

Hi Mike,

For about £400 (uk) (probably much less elsewhere) you can get a used stylus pro 4000 printer. It is well engineered, compared to the 3000 series. It wastes no ink in changing from matt to gloss black - I believe later models use ink in changing from matt to gloss. Quality compatible pigment ink, with refillable cartridges costs about £60.00 per litre. It will print on card, has vacuum suction, cut off knife, etc. The front tray pushes in, the rear roll holder is easily removable, and if space is limited it could be mounted above the printer. Also, full service manuals are available on the web, including details on resetting the waste ink, etc. If you want long prints on canvas, it will be the lowest cost option. My understanding is that the 3000 series do not work too well with canvas. Without the roll holder at the back of the printer, and the front paper tray closed the desk area required - but it needs to be a strong desk- is about 32 inches wide by 21 inches deep. For comparison, the A3+ stylus r1800, with cis will be about 27 inches wide, by 15 inches deep with its roll holder removed, which is not that much smaller. I guess your 2200 is somewhere between the two.

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 02:00:08 PM »

Know your customer requirements and specify the hardware accordingly

Did you ever stop and think that requirements might change? Did you ever stop and think at all?
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 04:42:35 PM »

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Did you ever stop and think that requirements might change? Did you ever stop and think at all?
Just for the record, I will assume that you accidentally forgot to put a smiley after your comment.
Otherwise, someone might think you were insulting Terry.
Of all the people on this forum, Terry is perhaps, the most thoughtful and helpful person.
Most folks consider themselves lucky if they get a reply from Terry. His helpful suggestions have made learning some of the digital imaging stuff easier for all.

Fred
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