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Author Topic: Epson 3800 or 3880  (Read 52001 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2010, 04:53:15 PM »

Another reason for using the 38xx series as opposed to the 48xx or bigger is the cost of the black ink change from photo to matte. The 3800 is a couple of bucks, all of the others are big $$$ since they flush the system. At least one site quotes the change costing $75USD on a 4800. I think it's lower on the 4880 as they now use a "conversion kit" but it takes 10-15 minutes and still uses a lot of ink. It doesn't take too many changes to pay for a RIP on the 38xx. And, if you want to go longer than 90 inches on the 48xx, you'll need a RIP anyway. The Epson driver is limited to 90 inches.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2010, 05:21:19 PM »

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And, if you want to go longer than 90 inches on the 48xx, you'll need a RIP anyway. The Epson driver is limited to 90 inches.
I don't think that is the case if you use Qimage  (a fraction of the cost of a RIP). The Poster feature of Q allows you to overcome that limit when the printer is set to Banner mode. See learn by Example 6a in  Q Help.

I was surprised to learn that the 3880 does not require flushing when the black cartridges are exchanged, what happens with the "wrong" ink already in the head etc., doesn't it matter when it is used up at the first printing operation after the exchange?
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2010, 05:23:15 PM »

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And, if you want to go longer than 90 inches on the 48xx, you'll need a RIP anyway. The Epson driver is limited to 90 inches.

With Qimage, you can print 590 inches long with a 48xx Epson. No RIP needed.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 04:25:55 PM »

The 3800 only flushes the single matte or photo black cartridge, not the full set from what I understand. It obviously goes through some type of flush given the noises it makes during the change.

Also, thanks for the info on long prints on the 48xx. Didn't know that Qimage would override Epson's driver - why won't it do that on the 3800???
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 05:37:09 PM »

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Also, thanks for the info on long prints on the 48xx. Didn't know that Qimage would override Epson's driver - why won't it do that on the 3800???
That is because the 3880 has no facility for roll paper and therefore no banner mode. Qimage requires Banner mode to be set in the driver.
Qimage does not "override" the driver as such but uses it's own Poster mode where a "poster" is made of 1 column and 'x' pages. Each page has to be of a size less than the driver length limit and each page gets printed on the roll as one complete seamless print image, neat!  Cool I think my explanation is correct. Fred will put us right if not  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 06:59:14 PM »

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I was surprised to learn that the 3880 does not require flushing when the black cartridges are exchanged,
That's the whole point. There are 3 black cartridges that can be used in the 3800 (calling gray a black) and they never get swapped. The software controls which blacks are to be used for a certain paper as well as whether it is using the B&W driver or the color driver.
It works in similar fashion to the Gloss optimizer in my R1800.
It gets turned on if I select glossy or semi gloss paper automatically; and off if I select Matte paper.
I think there's an extra ink slot for a special black if needed besides the 8 carts. already there.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2010, 09:37:09 AM »

Fred et al

The 3800 (and the 3880) has 4 black cartridges installed - Matte Black, Photo Black, Light Black, and Light Light Black. Only 3 are ever used at one time, the 2 light blacks and either either matte or photo depending on the paper type (automatically selected). Switching from one to the other does waste some ink - from memory it costs around £2.00 to change from photo to matte and around £1.00 to change back (or perhaps vice versa). Unlike the R1800, if you don't use matte black then no matte ink is lost when the printer cleans itself.

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2010, 10:23:15 AM »

Morning Nrian,
My R 1800 does have a Matte Black and a Photo Black, and they get turned on and off in the software.
As for the 3800, I don't have one, but my friend never swaps black cartridges.
So when do you have to swap
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from memory it costs around £2.00 to change from photo to matte and around £1.00 to change back
one black for another?
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2010, 11:07:51 AM »

Fred
You don't physically change them, its done by the software like the 1800. The difference with the 3800 is that it replaces the ink in the supply tube (which you don't have in the 1800) when you change, which is where the wasted ink comes in. Sorry if I misled you.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 11:21:05 AM »

Brian,
This is what I was reading when I saw your post.
Even my R 1800 does a lot of growling and churning when it gets turned on. I can hear what sounds like a "light" cleaning cycle.
Apparently they all seem to attend to keeping the quality of the print as primary, and the need to economize on ink as secondary

Fred.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-3800.shtml
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 01:34:36 PM »

While the 3800 has both Matte and Photo black carts installed at the same time, they both share the same printhead.  As a result, a certain amount of black ink is used to flush the supply lines when switching between the two.  This is described in Eric Chan's excellent 3800 FAQ:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/faq.html
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2010, 04:41:35 PM »

Brian is 100% right.  I have a close friend here with a 3880 and feeding from the rear slot, max size even user defined is 37.4 inches.
If you were willingf to add 300 to 400 dollars for a rip, why noy add that to the price of the printer and go to the next step up... the 4000 series..e.g. 4400 4480.

Is this a downgrade?  Although I have only used banner paper and roll up to 36", the R2400 has user defined length to 129" as an option (12900/100). 

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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2010, 06:06:47 PM »

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Is this a downgrade?  Although I have only used banner paper and roll up to 36", the R2400 has user defined length to 129" as an option (12900/100). 

Seth,
I could have suggested the R1800 too with a roll paper feed, but I think the 3800 has a great deal of good features, except for the roll paper capability.
It is a lot more printer than my 1800.
Give your 2400 a fresh ink cartridge from me and tell it that I didn't mean to insult it.   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2010, 07:22:16 PM »

Okay. I top them and print a CMYKRGB-Bk page every day when I am not using it.

I wrote your name on a cartridge so you get "used" every day.  As if this place isn't enough  Wink
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2010, 08:01:36 PM »

I have been looking at the 3880 for some time but I do like to do panos. After a lot of research I have been seriously looking at Canon ipf5100 and it looks like a really good printer, although a little on the large size. It does roll, front and top feed. Lots of good paper sizes. Price is around 1450 us dollars. Does anyone have an opinion??
 
Probably  should be a different subject, but is there anywhere to research what kind of papers do certain types of photos the best? ie, Black & White look good on Ilford (Hanamuhle, Epson, etc) Color landscape on luster, semi- gloss, or matte? There just seem to be so many choices a guy could go broke just getting samples and profiles to do any of it some justice. Any ideas?

Mike
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