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Author Topic: I'm discouraged as well.... what am I doing wrong.....  (Read 32587 times)
Francois
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2010, 05:45:26 PM »

Sorry guys, didn't have the time yesterday to do screen print-outs, I was on a production deadline.

For the Scanner, I used a Canon scanner, an HP Scanner and the best results (in terms of numbers) I'm getting from the Epson scanner.

I will post histograms and also try to see if I can find saturation and color settings in the initial screens of PP that could correct scanner lighting issues. However, by having tried this before, you sort of have to do this for every paper you profile....  Huh?
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2010, 03:23:21 PM »

Eureka! (ehh.... I think.....)

After reading what you guys have said about the quantity of ink vs type of paper on Epson printers, I have tried yesterday printing a target using a different paper setting than the one recommended by the manufacturer.

i.e. Red River recommends using the "luster" paper with their "Artic Satin Luster" paper. I have printed a target using the "Semi-Gloss" paper in the printer dialog, on the same RR paper.

And you know what? It ain't bad at all....!!!! The Lab test print came out about just right, yellow in the grays, just a little bit oversaturated in the yellows.

Now, I'm wondering two things:

1. Should I "edit" the profile and change the yellows? When I select, say, a yellow flower, how wide the range of yellow gets selected? Precisely just this flower's yellow? Should I try playing with the initial settings before creating the profile and add some blue? What's the compromise/advantages of each? I know that the initial settings will affect the whole profile, but what I'm not sure is how narrow or wide is the editor's selection

2. Is this going to work when I try other papers, or is it going to be a question of fiddling again.....  Roll Eyes



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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2010, 03:52:16 PM »

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Eureka! (ehh.... I think.....)
Good news then  Grin
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After reading what you guys have said about the quantity of ink vs type of paper on Epson printers, I have tried yesterday printing a target using a different paper setting than the one recommended by the manufacturer.
Some large format "pro" printers have a driver adjustment for the amount of ink but on many models, the only way is to use different paper settings. I think the rule is: more glossy, less ink and visa versa so matte paper uses the most ink. In your case, semi gloss uses less ink than lustre.
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Should I "edit" the profile and change the yellows?
I would say yes to that rather than trying to tweak things before making the profile, especially as you are getting very close now. The edior enables you to see and compare 2 images side by side. One is the "screen" image, as it should like like in print; the other represents the print and is the one that shows your adjustments. The aim is to get the "print" image to look like the test print with its errors. PP then adjusts the profile to correct the errors. It sort of works backwards from normal image editing.
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When I select, say, a yellow flower, how wide the range of yellow gets selected? Precisely just this flower's yellow?
The editor includes colour wheel and you can see which segment of the wheel into which a selected colour falls. I don't think you need worry about which precise grade of yellow it is, just have a go. I found it takes some practice so be prepared to use some ink & paper  Shocked
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Is this going to work when I try other papers, or is it going to be a question of fiddling again.....
Probably  :-\
You may need to ignore the RR paper type recommendation, and work one step towards glossy as a starting point.
Keep us up to date, others will find your learning curve helpful too  Wink
Terry.
PS. Don't forget to set your driver as per the new paper settings when printing. I'll say it again, use Qimage so you can save every single print set up so you don't have to remember the detail.

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2010, 06:00:57 PM »

Hi Francois,

As Terry says, but if you aren't using Qimage to print then you will have to write down the vales of your driver settings, etc. My version of PP is quite old, but the help file therein is excellent, there is quite a lot of info. on why to adjust the first cut profile, and a section on the effect of metamerism, which is probably a factor in your initial unsatisfactory results. Of course, it is a bit unrealistic to expect a relatively old/low cost scanner and low cost profiling software to produce the same results as specialist equipment costing ten or twenty times as much, but with careful tweaking you will get it near enough in many instances. fwiw, I've never found 'soft proofing' to be much use wrt colour accuracy, but others obviously use it.

Best wishes,

Ray
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