Hello All,

i've been using Profile Prism for some time now. And allways thought the prints looked fine.
Until today, my main printers are a Epson R800 and a Epson 1290. Both use Ciss systems.
For paper i use Olmec or Innova and original Epson papers mostly matt.
Today i bought a second hand printer an Epson 2100 with original cartridges.  And made a test
print, and found out. My profiled printers have way to much yellow in the prints.
For the scans i use a Epson V300 Scanner. Profiles scanned give as a printer target result.

Note 4 patches marked with "X" are at minimum/ maximium brightness.

I'am using the original reference card R070919, is this card only usable for glossy papers?
And how can i reduce the yellow in my profiles?

Greetings to all.

I've been using Qimage with al sorts of filters. Till now no perfect result. At the moment
i'am back to the Epson settings. Yesterday i printed a printer-target with a new profile.
Just to see how they would compare to the original. It was way off. I've used a lot of ink
and paper in total, at the moment i'am happy with the default Epson settings.

No the first printer target is printed with colour management off, the second print was a profiled print.
It was only a test! To see how different the colors where.

What i forgot to mention, with all 3 printers Epson R800, Epson 1290 and a HP8450 all the prints looked exactly the same after being profiled (to yellow/greenish).

Well i was viewing the photo under poor light conditions, so i never noticed it. That's the down site from energy saving bulbs. So you are correct, the problem
is not all pictures are too yellow. About 40% is oke, or i can't really see it. I've a other printer it's a HP 8450 which was also profiled, the photo looked exactly the
same as the Epson R800. So my thought was the pictures where oke, until the Epson 2100 came with the original ink.

But it gets even stranger, i printed a few reference pictures with the Epson 2100 and a few with the Epson R800 with the same Epson setting.
Now with the profiled managed by the printer driver. The pictures on the Ciss (Epson R800) are now better looking then the Epson 2100 with the original ink.
Yes i know it should be the other way around. So today the Epson R800 got a lot of pictures in the Print Server queue to replace the bad printouts.

Grtx Erwin.

That would make sense, going to try it tomorrow. Thank you for the info!

Grtx Erwin.

My suggestion would be, instead of playing around with three or four printers, you choose one, and get that one working correctly. The r800 is the same engine as the r1800, and many of us have the r1800, and have been successful in its profiling. The amount of ink laid down depends on the 'paper type' and quality/speed settings. It helps if you print using the 'bright' target for most epson printers. If your monitor is not calibrated, I am not certain how you can decide if your older prints are yellow cf your newer print from the 2100 not being yellow enough If your personal choice is to have a less yellow profile, then that is easy to achieve by simply editing the profile, or applying a print filter as I mentioned before, however you may need to rtfm.

One thing to be aware of with the r800/r1800, it has finer nozzles than normal, and depending on the working environment (humidity?) is very prone to clogging with pigment inks. When printing the tif test chart, you may not see that yellow is not all there.

For four printers, and two types of paper, you will have eight printer settings and eight icc profiles to manage - plenty of room for error. Also, are you sure you are not applying some other colour space profile to the test image when printing it or have erroneous settings in pp itself?

Best wishes,

Ray

Hi Terry,

The work environment that you and Fred have, and also for many other folk is fine, but it is not so for everyone. For example, it needs regular printing to keep the inks flowing. The op is using a css system. Bulk ink allows the pigment to settle over time. The fact is that the nozzle size on the r1800 is about half the size of the more usual epson nozzle size, and many folk do get severe ink clogging problems with the r800/1800 series, even if they use epson standard ink cartridges. As a deliberate experiment, I left my r1800 turned off, on the bench for well over six months, a year or two ago. I got it printing again, after a bit of effort spread over a number of days, and perseverance with window cleaner . Others just buy something else and move on. Also, with a css system, it is possible to get air in the tubes - the nozzle test print may work fine, but the next minute air is being sucked. The r800/1800 (any printer, I guess) performs far more reliably with dye based inks, if not printing frequently.

All this is possibly not the problem that the op has, since it seems to be three printers wrongly (or perhaps correctly) profiled, not just his r800.

Best wishes,

Ray

Hi Terry and Ray.
I have to take the opposing view. I have an R 1800, and there were times, when I was in the hospital for many weeks, plus convalescing afterwards where the printer didn't get used at all.
I turned it on and it went through its normal start up routine which includes a mild cleaning cycle. I printed a test sheet to see if there were any clogs... nothing showed.
As you well know, that crappy Epson nozzle check print with the wavy lines is hard to see at best. Nothing beats a good test print of a test image which can be compared to one you printed a while ago.

The secret is in using Epson inks. It is more imperative to use Epson inks with pigment type ink than years ago.
I have many friends who use third party inks, and they realize the limitations. They make sure they use their printers often to keep the "lumps" out of the system.

I have a friend, Peter, who monitors the forum, but never posts. He lives in Sarasota 7 months, and New Jersey for 5 months. His Epson printer sits idle for 5 months. When he returns in November, one cleaning cycle to be sure, and he makes glorious prints... and talk about a fuss pot!

I have another (snow bird) friend who arrives in Sarasota in October and returns to NJ in May. He has a 3800 sitting idle here. He arrives, and makes a test print or two, and his prints are beautiful.

One rule that seems to be ignored in Mical's explanation. The one that says, whatever settings you use in the driver to create the target print, will be the settings to be used when using that profile.
As Ray says, the ink amount is governed by the paper selection. I see that your selection of paper brands include some I never heard of. Usually, that package will contain a specified Epson paper selection to be used with their paper. Otherwise you are flying blind.
The 1290 uses Dye ink. The R800 uses Pigment ink. Are you sure the paper you are trying to profile allows either ink type?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I used and loved Colorlife paper. That is a DYE ink only paper. I had to give it up.

Why not: insert the Epson Profile that came with the R800 that says Epson Premium Glossy.icm and with the driver set to No Color Management, and the paper selection set to Epson Prem. Glossy Photo paper, and the quality set to Best Photo, make a test print using Epson Premium Glossy photo paper of course.
Now you have a starting baseline to make a judgement.
See screen snaps.
If you have a yellow cast in those, then I would suspect my ink flow (nozzles) or ink cartridges.

I know I got carried away here writing such a tome, but I might as well add one more item.
I have a Canon i960 which was impossible to use anymore. It required that I make three full 8 x 10 prints before the colors would look normal. The first print was covered in red, second less, third almost gone, and the 4th print looked fine.
I wanted to toss it out but I had so many new ink cartridges for it that I was looking for someone who would take the stuff away for free. It sat here idle for 8 months.
Finally as I was experimenting with my W7 64 bit, I wanted to see if I could get that i960 to print in the 64 bit W7.  I managed to find a patched driver for it. I turned it on and the ink light was telling me I was low or out. Phooey, I replaced the inks that showed Low or OUT (3 carts) and the Red problem disappeared. The printer works perfectly now.
Was it bad ink cartridges? I believe so. I tried the i960 in my Vista 32 setup, and it prints fine there too. Old driver... was not the problem.
So a good thing to keep in the back of your mind...

Best to all.
Fred