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Title: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 20, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Jose Rodriguez has a tutorial video on how to eliminate the 30mm border restriction on fine art papers with the latest version of Qimage, but I have been unable to achieve success. Attached, please find a screen shot of my settings and a photo of the actual result. Prior to printing, I also made sure to right-click the X'd out printer icon and clicked yes in the dialog box. Comments and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: Fred A on December 20, 2018, 05:32:07 PM
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Comments and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.

I have never seen Jose`s tutorial, but I defeated the 30mm trap years ago.
Stay off the paper selections that say 30 in the name.
Use either Other Fine art Paper 2 or Premium Matte N.
See my attached screen snaps
Works fine
Fred


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 20, 2018, 06:52:38 PM
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Comments and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.

I have never seen Jose`s tutorial, but I defeated the 30mm trap years ago.
Stay off the paper selections that say 30 in the name.
Use either Other Fine art Paper 2 or Premium Matte N.
See my attached screen snaps
Works fine
Fred

A fine art paper must be selected, in order for the Pro 10 to print with MK ink, which is what you want when printing on matte papers. All fine art paper selections invoke the Art Paper Margin 30 requirement. My screen grabs show normal unrestricted borders for the standard Matte Paper selection, and cropped 30mm borders with the Other Fine Art Paper 2. I believe Mike Chaney informed Jose Rodriguez about the work-around in the latest version of Qimage, thus the YouTube video.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on December 20, 2018, 08:22:09 PM
Keep in mind that this is a hack that has not been tested on printers other than the Pro-100 (which is why it is currently undocumented).  Your print seems to have defeated the large margin on the left but the print seems to be 1/4 the requested size.  I notice that your PPI is at 1200: shown on your QU screen shot.  You might want to try again with "Prevention of print data loss" set to "On (weak)" in the driver.  Click the properties button to open the driver, click the Page Setup tab, click "Print Options" on the lower right of that tab, and then set the "Prevention of print data loss" on the bottom to "On (weak)".  That should change the PPI listed in QU from 1200 to 600 PPI.  Of course, when you click "OK" on the driver dialog, it'll force you to change the paper size to one of the art margin sizes: go ahead and let it change that and when you get back to the Qimage Ultimate main window, drop down the media size and override it back to 8.5x11.

I'm thinking if the "Print res" value in QU shows 600 instead of 1200, it might solve the problem and print the correct size.  If that doesn't work, it is possible that the hack just won't work on a Pro-10.  You are the first to actually post results from a Pro-10 so thanks for that!  I'm encouraged by the fact that it did print without the large margin even though it reduced the print size by (what looks to be) half in both directions.  If the above suggestion still produces a 1/4 size print, there's one more hack we can try: where we put the page in freehand mode and then double the print size in both directions to see if we can force the proper size: that won't look right in the live view but may print OK.  But we'll see what happens with the first suggestion before trying that.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 20, 2018, 09:37:39 PM
Thank you very much, Mike, for your detailed reply. Yeah, I noticed the 1200ppi and didn't think much about it. But who knows, it could be what's preventing the image from printing the correct size. I will make the recommended change and see what happens.

BTW, there's a guy on the dpreview printing forum who says the hack works, so that's an indication that something is probably wrong with my setup.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 20, 2018, 11:37:31 PM
Victory! Changed the default 1200ppi resolution setting to 600ppi and all systems were go. Thank you, Mike!
Sample was printed on Canon Pro Premium Matte, using the Pro Premium Matte Fine Art media type. Printed
perfectly, edge-to-edge, with no imposed 30mm borders


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: moriclau on December 21, 2018, 01:25:04 AM
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Comments and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.

I have never seen Jose`s tutorial, but I defeated the 30mm trap years ago.
Stay off the paper selections that say 30 in the name.
Use either Other Fine art Paper 2 or Premium Matte N.
See my attached screen snaps
Works fine
Fred

Does this use Matte black ink ?

Thanks


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on December 21, 2018, 03:05:42 AM
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Does this use Matte black ink ?

Thanks

It should... but I would like someone to confirm that.  Is there any way to read the per-cart ink usage when you print one of these in order to confirm it was the matte black ink that was actually used?  If not, maybe weigh the photo black and matte black carts prior to a print and weigh them again after.  You'll probably waste a bit of ink each time you put the carts back in but as long as the matte black dropped more weight than the photo black (using an accurate digital scale), I guess the test would be valid if anyone feels like wasting a bit of ink to test.  I'd do it if I had the Pro-10 but I only have the Pro-100 and Pro-1000.

I'd be surprised if it didn't use the matte black ink.  When I tested the hack on the Pro-100, you can tell that it was using the driver settings for the premium matte under fine art: because you can tell the difference in print quality when you set it to the non fine art matte photo paper.

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 21, 2018, 04:36:47 AM
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Does this use Matte black ink ?

Thanks

It should... but I would like someone to confirm that.  Is there any way to read the per-cart ink usage when you print one of these in order to confirm it was the matte black ink that was actually used?  If not, maybe weigh the photo black and matte black carts prior to a print and weigh them again after.  You'll probably waste a bit of ink each time you put the carts back in but as long as the matte black dropped more weight than the photo black (using an accurate digital scale), I guess the test would be valid if anyone feels like wasting a bit of ink to test.  I'd do it if I had the Pro-10 but I only have the Pro-100 and Pro-1000.



I'd be surprised if it didn't use the matte black ink.  When I tested the hack on the Pro-100, you can tell that it was using the driver settings for the premium matte under fine art: because you can tell the difference in print quality when you set it to the non fine art matte photo paper.

Mike

I was thinking about making matched prints, one with the standard matte setting, and one with the fine art matte setting, to judge, visually, if there is a difference. Or, perhaps, matched gray scale ramps. I make profiles for the papers I use, and I've noticed a greater black density on the fine art test charts printed with MK ink.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on December 21, 2018, 04:45:32 AM
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I was thinking about making matched prints, one with the standard matte setting, and one with the fine art matte setting, to judge, visually, if there is a difference. Or, perhaps, matched gray scale ramps. I make profiles for the papers I use, and I've noticed a greater black density on the fine art test charts printed with MK ink.

That sounds reasonable.  Or you could just print a normal fine art matte print without needing the hack: just use the art margins like normal.  Then print the same image but with the hack (without the margins).  The two prints should look the same except for the size.  I would think if it's not using matte black for some reason, you'd definitely be able to tell a difference in the black density.

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 21, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
This is an update to the 30mm margin work-around. I ran a controlled test with Canon Pro Premium Matte, with one print using Letter(Art Paper Margin 30), and one using standard Letter with Mike's work-around. Both prints were identical, with no perceivable difference in black density. For comparison, I also ran a test with the same image, using the standard matte paper setting and matte paper profile(resulting in the printer using PK ink). I was surprised at how close it was to the MK ink test prints. The only visible difference was slightly less "meat" in the lowest values. It's a good testament to the quality of the Pro 10 PK pigment ink.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on December 21, 2018, 06:00:52 PM
Thanks again for doing the testing on this!  Sounds like you've proven that the proper inks are being used.  That's great news.  It's what I expected though because all the hack does is stop and restart the job.  Stopping the job kills the message about using the wrong paper size and when it starts back up, it just starts where it left off (just past the paper size error message).

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: moriclau on December 21, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
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I was thinking about making matched prints, one with the standard matte setting, and one with the fine art matte setting, to judge, visually, if there is a difference. Or, perhaps, matched gray scale ramps. I make profiles for the papers I use, and I've noticed a greater black density on the fine art test charts printed with MK ink.

That sounds reasonable.  Or you could just print a normal fine art matte print without needing the hack: just use the art margins like normal.  Then print the same image but with the hack (without the margins).  The two prints should look the same except for the size.  I would think if it's not using matte black for some reason, you'd definitely be able to tell a difference in the black density.

Mike

Hi again,

I use Moab Entrada rag bright paper with the ICC profile provided by Moab with my Canon pixma pro-10. If I try to use the "Other fine art paper 2" paper choice or the "photo mat pro premium" paper choice I cannot make a print. I get a message asking me to choose a paper format with the fine art magins. On the other hand if I use the plain "photo matte" paper choice I can make a print that overrides the 30 mm border limit.

I printed a black and white image, making four prints.

- one 6 x 8 print with the fine art margins, the "other fine art 1" paper choice and black and white print choice checked in the driver.
- one  8 x 10 print with the "photo matte" paper choice and black and white print choice checked in the driver.
- one 6 x 8 print with the "photo matte" paper choice and black and white print choice checked in the driver, to compensate for an eventual influence of the size of the print on my perception
- one 6 x 8 print with the "photo matte" paper choice and black and white print choice unchecked in the driver

To my eye the differences between the three first prints are very minor. The darkest blacks might be a bit more intense with the "Other fine art paper 1" paper choice but on the other hand I get more details in the dark areas withe the plain photo matte.  I can live with all three prints.

And finally the fourth print seems practically identical to print no. three, with absolutely no color cast.

So, if needed, I can override the 30 mm constraint using the photo matte paper choice. From reading this thread, I was under the impression that this was also possible withe Te "Other fine art 2" paper choice and the "Photo matte pro premium" paper choice. If it is possible, what am I doing wrong ?

Claude


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 21, 2018, 11:09:35 PM
You can override the 30mm margin with all of the fine art choices. You need to watch Jose Rodriguez's YouTube video, which was a live stream and aired 12-15-18. The tutorial is towards the end. 


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: moriclau on December 21, 2018, 11:49:45 PM
You can override the 30mm margin with all of the fine art choices. You need to watch Jose Rodriguez's YouTube video, which was a live stream and aired 12-15-18. The tutorial is towards the end. 

Is Mike's hack the same as Jose Rodriguez's hack on his You tube video. I can not replicate this on my Pro-10

Claude.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: ChicagoRob on December 22, 2018, 12:07:29 AM
You can override the 30mm margin with all of the fine art choices. You need to watch Jose Rodriguez's YouTube video, which was a live stream and aired 12-15-18. The tutorial is towards the end. 

Is Mike's hack the same as Jose Rodriguez's hack on his You tube video. I can not replicate this on my Pro-10

Claude.


Yes, they are the same. What, exactly, is the problem? Maybe Mike can step in and help out.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on December 22, 2018, 12:51:27 AM
There are some things that we didn't discover until after Jose's video.  Jose's video will work provided you set things up this way:

(1) You need to be running Qimage Ultimate 2019.105 or later.

(2) Prior to printing, you have to make sure your printer is showing 600x600 PPI above the live view in Qimage Ultimate.  If you see 1200x1200, you'll get the wrong size print, so in order to achieve the native 600x600 PPI driver resolution, you have to open the driver properties and set "Prevention of print data loss" to "On (weak)".  You do that on the Page Setup tab in the driver: print options button.

After making those prerequisite settings, Jose's video should work to override the 30mm margins.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: moriclau on December 24, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
There are some things that we didn't discover until after Jose's video.  Jose's video will work provided you set things up this way:

(1) You need to be running Qimage Ultimate 2019.105 or later.

(2) Prior to printing, you have to make sure your printer is showing 600x600 PPI above the live view in Qimage Ultimate.  If you see 1200x1200, you'll get the wrong size print, so in order to achieve the native 600x600 PPI driver resolution, you have to open the driver properties and set "Prevention of print data loss" to "On (weak)".  You do that on the Page Setup tab in the driver: print options button.

After making those prerequisite settings, Jose's video should work to override the 30mm margins.

Regards,
Mike

Hi,

I upgraded to the latest version of QIU and got it to work. I printed without the border limitation using Moab entrada rag bright paper. Tested the hack with 3 paper choices, other fine art 2, other fine at 1 and photo matte pro premium.  In all cases the print is fine. With the other fine art 1 paper choice, I got message about having to change a raw spoooling setting. Then I was offered to go ahead with the print even if QI could not do that change. I said yes and the print came out fine.

Thanks,
Claude


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: Mahakaal on February 08, 2019, 03:52:42 AM
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Comments and/or suggestions greatly appreciated.

I have never seen Jose`s tutorial, but I defeated the 30mm trap years ago.
Stay off the paper selections that say 30 in the name.
Use either Other Fine art Paper 2 or Premium Matte N.
See my attached screen snaps
Works fine
Fred

Rekindling this thread Fred :)
I have a quick question - in the screen grab you shared I see that you are letting the Printer Driver control the color instead of using an icc profile. Any reasons ?


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: Fred A on February 08, 2019, 11:01:21 AM
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Rekindling this thread Fred Smiley
I have a quick question - in the screen grab you shared I see that you are letting the Printer Driver control the color instead of using an icc profile. Any reasons ?

Good day.
No reason, other than it had no bearing on the question and the answer: 30mm margins.
I switched to a Pro 10 driver to make a screen snap of the driver actually in question and just didn't bother hunting for the matching profile.

Good question, though
I made printer setups for the paper and profiles that do not force margins, so I don't even have to try to remember which is which next time.
Fred


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 09, 2019, 09:12:12 PM
So,After going over this thread twice,can I assume, that when I have my qimage setup page set to matte black, it is definitely using matte black ink??

Just want to clarify..


Thanks,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 10, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
So,After going over this thread twice,can I assume, that when I have my qimage setup page set to matte black, it is definitely using matte black ink??

Just want to clarify..


Thanks,
Mike

Whether or not the printer uses matte black ink is determined only by the media type selection in the driver.  So on the Pro-10, if you select the fine art matte paper in the driver, it'll use matte black ink regardless of whether you print with the 30mm margins or use the hack to print without the large margins.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 10, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
I made a couple of prints using the "matte photo paper setting",in the media setting, the prints came out,ok{usable}..6 &1/2 X 10ins.,on 8&1/2 x 11in. paper.
Nor sure if I'm doing this correctly???

MikeS.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: Fred A on February 11, 2019, 08:21:38 AM
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made a couple of prints using the "matte photo paper setting",in the media setting, the prints came out,ok{usable}..6 &1/2 X 10ins.,on 8&1/2 x 11in. paper.
Nor sure if I'm doing this correctly???

MikeS.
That sounds right, Mike.
If you want the full 8 x 10 print, turn on on the crop scissors after selecting the image in Live View.
Fred


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 11, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Thanks Fred....tech question---is it true that the matte black ink, puts out a denser,deeper, black
or, is this false??
I've tried to make comparisons ,using matte black & photo black{with luster/glossy paper?}, I always end up going back to photo black,
Maybe its a personnel preference?
Could it be the addition of CO ink, that deepens the results???

MikeS.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 11, 2019, 02:47:51 PM
You would have to be the judge.  If you select "Matte Photo Paper" and you are using a Pro-10, the printer will use photo black ink.  If you use Photo Paper Pro Premium Matte, it will use matte black ink but with this paper selected, you'd have to use the margin hack if you don't want the 30mm margins.  You could print one of both and compare.  From what I've read, the matte black ink does produce blacker blacks but it is subtle and whether or not you actually want blacker blacks is a personal preference.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 11, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
Excellent,thanks Mike

MikeS


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: jrsforums on February 11, 2019, 05:13:45 PM
Can someone provide a link to the YouTube video?


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 11, 2019, 06:32:38 PM
Are talking about Jose' Roriguez video
If so,here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8L45kkrE7g

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 11, 2019, 06:40:37 PM
That video shows the "hardware hack".  The Qimage software hack allows you to print with matte black ink, without the 30mm borders, and without swapping carts and incurring ink purge cycles due to swapping carts.  Jose was going to do a video on the Qimage software hack but that was about 3-4 weeks ago.  I think he's had other projects to work on and hasn't had time but I believe he still plans to make the video.

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 11, 2019, 07:14:57 PM
OK<thanks for the update,also,when I use "photo paper Pro Premium Matte in my media setting-I'm still getting the 30mm paper setting.
This is turning into a big joke.
Why can't canon just delete this stupid wide border issue and update their software, Jesus.

MikeS.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 11, 2019, 08:02:30 PM
Mike-can you give me the link,or,video,to the Qimage hack???

TNX,
MikeS


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 11, 2019, 08:21:53 PM
You have to use the software hack in Qimage to get rid of the borders.  The instructions are:

Note: this may look complicated but you only need to do these steps/checks once.  Once it works, you can save the setup in Qimage and name it something like "PPP Premium Matte - 30mm hack" and recall it next time: then you only need to perform steps 5-9 below each subsequent time.  That basically amounts to recalling the setup, adding prints, clicking the print button, and then right clicking the "Cancel Print" button when the Canon error message pops up to perform the hack that automatically closes that Canon error window and forces the print job to continue.

(1) Use "Properties" to set up your driver: select Photo Paper Pro Premium Matte, set quality settings, color management, etc.  Select your paper size, for example, 8.5x11.
(2) Click "OK" in the driver to accept driver settings.  The driver will force you to pick a paper size with the 30mm margins: that's fine, let it do that (see next step).
(3) Now that the driver has forced the 30mm margins, override it by dropping down "Media Size" on Qimage's main window and re-select the size you want (for example Letter 8.5x11).
(4) Do not open "Properties" to access the driver after this step but if you have to, you'll have to repeat steps 2 and 3 when you close the driver.
(5) Add prints as usual and click print to print the job. See *Important note* below before actually printing.
(6) When the prints are processed by Qimage, you'll get a message from the driver that it needs 30mm margins. Leave that error message on screen and proceed to next step.
(7) Right click the Cancel Printing button in Qimage: the top right-most button on the Qimage main window that has a printer with an X through it.
(8 ) You'll get a system administrator message from your computer requesting permission to perform the "hack": click Yes on that to accept.
(9) The Canon media error message will go away and the job will start printing: see *How to Use the Software Hack* to see what to expect while printing and how the hack works.

*Important Note*

Before printing, check the "Printers and Settings" tab on the Qimage main window and be sure the "Res" parameter lists "Max (600 PPI)" as the print resolution.  If you see "Max (600 PPI)" in that setting, skip this step but if you see anything other than "Max (600 PPI)", you have to take these additional steps to ensure the driver is set up for the above task.  If "Res" is anything other than "Max (600 PPI)":

(1) First drop down the "Res" setting and see if you have a "Max (600 PPI)" selection: maybe you just have it set to "High (300 PPI)" and you can change it to "Max (600 PPI)" instead.
(2) If you see "Max (1200 PPI)", you need to click "Properties", go into the driver, go to the Page Setup tab, click the "Print Options" button, and set "Prevention of Print Data Loss" to "Weak".
(3) If you see something like "Max (960 PPI), you selected scaling in the driver: go into the driver, click the Page Setup tab, and click "Normal Size" under Page Layout.
(4) If you see something like "Max (610 PPI) or something just over 600 PPI, you are in borderless mode.  Uncheck borderless in the driver: borderless has not been tested with the hack.
(5) If you had to do any of (2), (3), or (4), you'll have to repeat steps (2) and (3) from the prior list up top to override the 30mm margins since the driver will force that on you when you exit the driver.

*How to Use the Software Hack*

When you right click the "Cancel Printing" button in Qimage to initiate the hack (you do this after clicking print and after you see the Canon error message about wrong media size), the software hack will close that Canon error window (the error window saying you need a paper size with 30mm margins) and once that Canon error window disappears on its own (don't close it manually), printing will proceed normally on your Pro-10 without the 30mm margins.  It will likely take somewhere between 10-30 seconds for the printer to actually start printing.  Keep in mind that if you don't already have the matte paper loaded in the rear tray, the form feed button will blink and you'll have to load a sheet manually at this point and click the form feed button on the printer for printing to start.  This is normal and it does this even if you are printing normally (with 30mm margins) without the hack.  The difference when using the hack is: you have to know what to do because the Canon driver will not give you the little popup messages that say "Load paper in rear tray and then press the feed button".  That's because the software hack in step 7 basically says "GO AWAY Canon driver... let Windows process this job now".  So the Canon driver gets disconnected so it can no longer throw messages but as a side effect, you also no longer get the Canon hint windows that give you hints about what to do like "load paper in rear tray".  That shouldn't be a problem if you are familiar with the process: you just have to perform the same steps as if the popups had told you what to do.

Once again when you click print and you see that Canon media error message, never close that Canon media error message by clicking "OK" or closing the window yourself: you have to leave that error window open so that the software hack (right clicking the Cancel Printing button) will force that error window closed on its own.

Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mike397x on February 12, 2019, 01:39:41 PM
Morning Mike & Fred,
Thanks for all your patience & help with this.
You guys are the best!!!

MikeS


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: jrsforums on February 12, 2019, 11:31:47 PM
Mike, I tried this on Pro-1000 (25mm border).  I get message on printer “Processing...please wait momentarily”, but it has been at least 10 min. With no change.

Any thoughts


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 13, 2019, 02:55:07 AM
It's designed for the Pro-1, Pro-10, and Pro-100.  The Pro-1000 doesn't need it because the driver allows you to turn off the margin warning in the driver.  In the driver: Page Setup tab, Print Options button, and check the box at the bottom that says "Cancel the safety margin regulation for paper size".

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: jrsforums on February 13, 2019, 03:23:00 AM
Thank you “master” 😀


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: howardm4 on May 16, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
Use "Properties" to set up your driver: select Photo Paper Pro Premium Matte,

>> Is the use of that particular media *required* (there's magic in the code for that) or can I pick other FA type media (like FA Smooth)???


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on May 16, 2020, 03:56:02 PM
Any of the FA papers should work.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: jw on June 08, 2020, 02:56:06 PM
Is there any way to get this work-around to work with the Mac version of Qimage (or any other way to get it to work on a Mac)? I can't see a cancel print button on there.

Thanks, James


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on June 08, 2020, 03:21:53 PM
The workaround relies on the Windows spooler so it will not work on a Mac.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: Roy Sletcher on June 10, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
It's designed for the Pro-1, Pro-10, and Pro-100.  The Pro-1000 doesn't need it because the driver allows you to turn off the margin warning in the driver.  In the driver: Page Setup tab, Print Options button, and check the box at the bottom that says "Cancel the safety margin regulation for paper size".

Regards,
Mike

Is this definitely applicable to the Pro-100 which only has BLACK, GRAY, and LIGHT GRAY cartridges?

The method works as described on my Pro-100, but to my eyes the resultant print does not show any enhancements over straight matte paper using a regular profile. Possibly it is paper related. I am using Precision Color inks and tested on Red River Polar Matte.

If I am missing something I am happy to revisit my workflow, but don't want to vanish done a rabbit hole for less than marginal returns.

This site is an excellent resource for learning all the "wrinkles" to using Qimage to the Ultimate.

Thanks for all the help and keep safe.

Roy Sletcher



Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on June 10, 2020, 10:16:40 PM
I've not noticed much of a difference on my Pro-100 either, but the fact that they have a specific paper type for presentation matte and fine art papers would suggest they have tweaked the ink densities for those papers.  If nothing else, at least it allows you to select the correct paper type and use the workaround.

Regards,
Mike


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: mcmarkaz on February 16, 2023, 10:44:54 PM
Mike, I would first like to thank you very much for the great information you have provided on this issue. I got this software hack to work for borders on fine art paper.

I would like to add something to your steps for the procedure that I found. I could NOT get your procedure to work WHEN I HAD THE DRIVER SET TO PREVIEW IMAGE. As soon as I unchecked this box in the driver, your procedure worked perfectly.

Thanks again very much.


Title: Re: Canon Pro 10 30mm forced border work-around with fine art papers
Post by: admin on February 17, 2023, 01:43:42 AM
Thanks for the report.  I don't remember testing it with the preview enabled so I'm glad you let us know.

Regards,
Mike