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Title: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 01, 2011, 08:02:24 AM One of the things I have started to do with Lightroom is to introduce a modest amount of vignetting. From time to time, of course, as it does not suit every image.
How would you gurus do this when working with a RAW image using Ultimate? Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 09:13:00 AM Quote How would you gurus do this when working with a RAW image using Ultimate? Tony Hi Tony, Qimage Ultimate comes with a decent selection of oval and rectangular cutouts. Some of the more nimble users have created even more *extra) cutouts and frames, and have shared them. They create them in PS and Terry has a software application that makes it easy peasy as he likes to say! I have a zip file of a bunch of extras along with the ones that come with Ultimate. You have my email. Let me know if you want them. I just whipped this up in 15 seconds, not centered or anything, and a very rough looking subject! My best to the Queen! Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 01, 2011, 09:30:06 AM Thanks Fred,
In fact what I was looking for was a darkening of the edges of the image - the sort of thing introduced by lazy lens designers to make work for software folk who sell gizmos to remove it. Used here for example:- http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140513.htm http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140516.htm http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140729.htm Of course the GH2 had already removed the darkened edges. It was TG who added them back! Any ideas? Kindest regards, Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 09:35:23 AM Quote Any ideas? Like this? Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 09:50:24 AM You can make your own vignette filters to suit your needs.
Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 01, 2011, 10:04:22 AM Yes, like that.
How do you make them black? Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 10:05:13 AM Quote Used here for example:- http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140513.htm http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140516.htm http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140729.htm See we have you guys doing the "bowling" thing here too. :-) Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 10:12:41 AM Quote Yes, like that. How do you make them black? Tony, It has been years since I made one of these, and I would prefer that you get step by step instructions from Terry or Brian, or someone who is adept. I remember using a mask and painting it white instead of black in PS. I made a few rectangular cutouts just to see if I could do it, and left the creating of real cutouts to the talented people. I will text message Terry to get on here to help, or if Brian is listening, he can jump in. I know Terry bought a program that is designed to make these cutouts, and the opacity can be changed as well as the graduation. Fred Now I can't find my phone to send Terry a message.... ??? Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 01, 2011, 10:22:46 AM Just heard from Terry
He is OUT for a couple more hours. Be patient. I wish I had Brian's number... I know he can help you too. Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 01, 2011, 10:31:51 AM Thanks Fred,
We liked the smart yellow bowling wear. We are off to The Watermill at Newbury in a couple of hours to see an old Noel Gay musical. It'll be the last spin of the year for the B****ey I guess. I'll be out when Terry surfaces but will pick up this thread first thing tomorrow. I'm going to give Ultimate its first real trial - so you can expect a few more FAQ's I fear. Kindest regards, Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Owen Glendower on September 01, 2011, 03:42:44 PM I know Terry bought a program that is designed to make these cutouts, and the opacity can be changed as well as the graduation. Looking forward to more info on cutouts, especially the name of Terry's program. Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 07:45:48 AM Quote I'll be out when Terry surfaces but will pick up this thread first thing tomorrow I've now surfaced for a little while ;)There is a good guide to cutouts and frame in the Help: Contents-Listing of Major Functions-Cutouts. Here is some of the info': Quote How to create a cutout image: To create a cutout, just use your favorite image editor and create a new image in 24 bit (16 million) color format. The image can be anything you like, however, Qimage treats all shades of pure gray as a transparency level: 0,0,0 is 100% transparent and 255,255,255 is opaque and will show as white on the printout. In other words, the original image will "show through" the cutout for any pixel in your cutout that has RGB value 0,0,0. A gray shade of 128,128,128 will show your image "half faded" to white. A value of 255,255,255 in your cutout will show as white in the resulting image (none of the original image will come through). All other shades of pure gray can be used to specify how much of the original image makes it through to the result, with 0,0,0 showing the original image and 255,255,255 having the original image completely "blocked" (white). Given this, if you look at the first oval cutout above, it is no more than an all white image with a circle in the center filled with RGB color (0,0,0). Why is the image above an oval cutout and not a circle? Because the cutout is always stretched first (distorted) so that it fits over the target image exactly. This is handy because if you look at the oval cutout supplied with Qimage (which is actually a circle), the top, bottom, left and right edges always touch the edge of your photo giving you the maximum possible area inside the oval! The second, faded oval, is a cutout with 0,0,0 near the center, fading through 1,1,1, 2,2,2, 3,3,3, etc to the edges where the 255,255,255 completely masks the original image. Because you want to vignette to black (or any other colour including grey), Help tells you how to do it:Quote While neutral colors from 0,0,0 (transparent) to 255,255,255 (opaque) have special meaning in that they dictate the amount of transparency, it is possible to fade to colors other than white (the default fade color). Simply add the fade color enclosed in square brackets as part of the file name. For example, fade-oval.tif fades from transparent in the center to white at the edges. The same file with the name fade-oval[0,0,0].tif will fade to black at the edges instead of white. Naming the file fade-oval[0,255,0].tif will cause a fade to green at the edges, and so forth. Note that regardless of the fade color, 0,0,0 still indicates 100% image and 0% fade color and 255,255,255 indicates 0% image and 100% fade color. Also note that if you would like your prints to fade into the color set as the page background color, do not use the file name fade override as it will override the fade color without considering the page background color. I've attached a sample that fades to black. NB. the original was a tiff. Also note the [0,0,0] in the file name to indicate it fades to black.Quote Looking forward to more info on cutouts, especially the name of Terry's program. The program I use is Serif Page Plus. http://www.serif.com/pageplus/ which is a desktop publishing program. They also do DrawPLus but PagePlus has many of the drawing features.It's similar to programs like Corel Draw but costs much less, especially if you buy last years edition. Other programs like Photoshop or Corel Paintshop Pro should be able make cutouts and frames too. Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 02, 2011, 09:51:42 AM Anyone that understands that on the first reading, Raise your hand!!
Anyone on the second?? How about the third? Now you see why I almost had to drive over to Rugby England and wake him to get on here. Anyone want the premade set of cutouts after reading the instructions on how to make your own, email me at wathree.ssz@verizon.net. Fred ;D Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 02, 2011, 10:08:34 AM Fred, and I was thinking I was slow...... I am pleased I am not the only one who felt a bit confused.
I have been dealing with the day to day emails before:- a. Downloading a version of Ultimate I can put on this internet linked PC and then b. Seeing what cut outs come down with the system I'm assuming Mike has no objection to me having this second version of Ultimate so, in ten or so minutes, I ought to have a workable version on this machine (my studio PC has no internet as you know). If you have some pre-mades that are not coming down with (b) would you be kind enough to email them to me at my compuserve address, please Fred. If I can get them to work with a vignette the next thing I am going to ask for are graduated so I can darken skies or foregrounds - but one step at a time.... Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Owen Glendower on September 02, 2011, 01:04:11 PM Because you want to vignette to black (or any other colour including grey), Help tells you how to do it: Quote While neutral colors from 0,0,0 (transparent) to 255,255,255 (opaque) have special meaning in that they dictate the amount of transparency, it is possible to fade to colors other than white (the default fade color). Simply add the fade color enclosed in square brackets as part of the file name. For example, fade-oval.tif fades from transparent in the center to white at the edges. The same file with the name fade-oval[0,0,0].tif will fade to black at the edges instead of white. Naming the file fade-oval[0,255,0].tif will cause a fade to green at the edges, and so forth. Note that regardless of the fade color, 0,0,0 still indicates 100% image and 0% fade color and 255,255,255 indicates 0% image and 100% fade color. Also note that if you would like your prints to fade into the color set as the page background color, do not use the file name fade override as it will override the fade color without considering the page background color. It's also very easy to pick an appropriate RGB value from your image and then use that value when you re-name the vignette file. I rarely use black or white vignettes. Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 02, 2011, 01:54:20 PM Thanks Fred,
I have seen what that black vignette does. It's not for me I am afraid. I've got used to being able to add more/less vignette on a slider. This method is to rigid. No problem. Horses for courses. I'll stay with Lightroom where I think it will help the image - likewise with the top or bottom graduation. Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 01:54:43 PM Quote Anyone that understands that on the first reading, Raise your hand!! If you are not careful we'll demote you from Super Hero status ;DYou need to understand it fully if you are making your own cutouts. In the of the "fade oval" example I gave, the basic cutout, that is with no fade-to colour specified in square brackets is made in your favourite graphics program as follows: 1. Create a square white (255,255,255) background 2. Insert a Black (0,0,0) circle into the middle of the square background; you made need to adjust its size at a later stage. 3. Blur the edges of the black circle; graphics software will usually have some filter effects including the ability to blur edges. 4. Adjust the degree of blur and size of the black circle to suit your requirement for the vignette. 5. Group the 2 shapes and export as an image of at least 1000 pixels in size. Place the image in the QU Cutouts folder. You could make several different versions with different sizes for the black circle and different amounts of blur. I hope that helps someone to understand making you own cutouts. ;) Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 02, 2011, 04:04:28 PM I printed out your directions and made a white filled square with a black filled circle on the white filled square.
I did it in Coreldraw. I didn't blur the edges, yet. I didn't find the tool yet, but I wanted to try a circle. I selected the two, grouped them and exported as a JPG, selected only. It was about 1100 pixels Put it into cutouts, and it acts like it was a solid image. The white square with teh black circle in it just covers the image completely. I must have missed a step, or Coreldraw isn't designed for this? Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 04:45:08 PM Fred,
Quote Put it into cutouts, and it acts like it was a solid image. The white square with teh black circle in it just covers the image completely. The sample you sent to me had a problem: the "black" was grey and not a true grey with RGB values equal.Perhaps Corel is messing up the colour values when it exports. I've just done one in my program and it works fine. Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 02, 2011, 04:51:32 PM Quote The sample you sent to me had a problem: the "black" was grey and not a true grey with RGB values equal I purposely selected Gray. You mean if I selected pure black it would work? It doesn't make sense to me, but OK... I remember doing one a long time ago making a mask. No mask? Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 04:56:40 PM Quote I purposely selected Gray. If it was a pure grey it would work and the oval image would be partially masked in that area.Hang on I'll do it. Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 05:04:19 PM Quote Hang on I'll do it. See attached below, the cutout and result.Terry PS. The grey was 200,200,200 Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 02, 2011, 05:26:14 PM Here is a blurred edge vignette, full transparency for the image and with a coloured fade out, colour picked from a blade of grass.
Cutout File name: Test Oval blur2 T[125,139,47].tif Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2011, 07:20:20 AM Anyone that understands that on the first reading, Raise your hand!! Fred ;D My hand is always in my pocket :) I did not understand, I will have to reread when more time. I do any vignetting with an action in elements 7. jeff Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 04, 2011, 11:09:21 AM I give up Terry.
I thought I could create a mask in Picture Window Pro - but an hour later I have to admit defeat. If you have a few minutes to spare (and you claim that is all it takes!!) could you make me a really gentle cutout that slightly darkens the edges like this:- http://www.tonygamble.org/BowlsCrossley%202011/_1140516.htm I hope that with that as a starter I can then use PWP to make some variants that are more, or less, aggresive. If you don't hear back from me until later it is because I am about to start my first QU converting session and there is no internet on that machine. Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: admin on September 04, 2011, 01:04:38 PM Please try the attached. Should give you a start.
Mike Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 04, 2011, 01:44:30 PM Thanks Mike,
That's a good start. When you have a moment do you think you could do me a top and bottom grad please. Fred suggested using a TT filter on either the blue sky or the green grass of a bowls lawn. I don't want that effect as I am looking for graduation. Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Fred A on September 04, 2011, 01:48:08 PM Quote Fred suggested using a TT filter on either the blue sky or the green grass of a bowls lawn. I don't want that effect as I am looking for graduation. No Tony. I suggested that you use SEL CLR the right tab in teh editor. Tone targeting is for sharpening. Fred Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 04, 2011, 03:03:35 PM Sorry Fred,
My poor terminology as I find my way around. I can't see that Select Colour tab offering me any graduation - which is what I want. Tony Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 04, 2011, 07:37:55 PM Hi Tony,
Quote When you have a moment do you think you could do me a top and bottom grad please. I made one just now - it took a few minutes to sort how to do it with my Page Plus program but now I have it done I can fairly easily make adjustments to it.See attached. Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: Terry-M on September 04, 2011, 07:58:49 PM Quote made one just now - .............. See attached See attached below a couple of samples with this cutout applied - vignette top & bottom.Terry Title: Re: Introduce vignette Post by: tonygamble on September 05, 2011, 07:11:13 AM Thanks Terry,
Just what I wanted. Tony |