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Author Topic: Margin Shifting  (Read 18172 times)
ahender
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« on: October 01, 2014, 03:16:29 PM »

I have the latest build of Qimage Ultimate.  Using an Epson 1400 printer with borderless checked.

This is really a continuation of a thread I posted last year.

I have an image that is 8-1/2 x 11 inches.

If I drag that image onto a template, regardless of how I do that (fit to page or original size), the image always shifts to the left and shifts to the top.

I always select centered.

That leaves me with a right and bottom border that is larger than what I started with, and a left and top border that is smaller.

I have searched this via Google, as well as this board, and have not found a solution.

This happens in both a print and in a print-to-file.

Is it my printer driver that is causing this?

When looking at the image that is dragged to the template, I can see a little extra white space on the right and bottom.

Not sure if that matters.

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM »

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When looking at the image that is dragged to the template, I can see a little extra white space on the right and bottom.

Not sure if that matters.

Allen,
First thing that comes to mind is the auto crop scissor button. It must be ON.
You can check it by hovering over the upper right preview image. It will show the print size. If it doesn't match the borderless page size, the crop is OFF
Let me know.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 03:59:16 PM »

Allen,
A couple of screen snaps to guide you.
Fit to Page with crop off.
Fit to page with Crop on   .... see the size numbers match
Page Editor showing zero margins when Crop is on with fit to page.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 06:31:33 PM »

Fred.  Thank you very much for your prompt response.

I created a test image with a black border of 1/8" all around.  The print-to-file export looked fine.

When I drag this image to the template (template-centered print placement), both with and without the Auto Crop On, and print the page and view in portrait mode, I have no black border showing at the top and bottom and probably 1/32" on the left -- slightly more at the top than bottom.  Only a small portion of the lower right contains a sliver of ink -- about 1-1/2 up the page.

My test image is 8-1/2 x 11.  In page editor view, it showed the image as 8.5 x 11 but I did not see the print location fields you show in your image.

Below is a screen shot of the template.

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 07:08:06 PM »

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Below is a screen shot of the template.

Sorry, Allen, not following you.
Templates show as RED on the preview page.
Why are you using a template?

If you are referring to the edges oof the image that you see on your snap, that means nothing.
Show a screen snap of the Page Editor which will show size and margins on the page.
Mine shows ZERO all the way around.
Next, looking at your screen snap, you have Template Centered selected, not Center.

I also attached a snap of what a template looks like.Wouldn't fit in the message. Will add after

Now here's what I do/did!  I set my image into the queue using Fit to page, crop on. Center Placement, no template needed.
Next, I go into the Page editor and Right click on the image and choose add a Mat.
Make the Border size 0.125 all the way around in Black
You must use the Shrink image to accommodate border when It's Fit To Page, (I'm sure you know that)
I'm done!!
To double check, simply click on the image to select (Still in the Page Editor) It will toggle from image to border and back each time you click.
If you select the image, it will show a print size of 8.25 x 10.75, instead of the 8.5 x 11. It shows there's a 1/4 inch short allowing for the 1/8 inch border on both ends
It also shows 0.12 is a space all the way around that it has appropriated for the border.
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Now click again on the image.
Now you have the image and border selected and they are FULL PAGE, FIT TO PAGE.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 07:22:20 PM »

Allen,
Let's look at it this way.
If you have Borderless selected, and the printable area is showing the same size as the paper size, which yours does, and you add an image with crop on, it will fill the page when you select Fit To Page as the size, That is saying I have a 5 gallon jug of milk, filled to very brim with 5 gallons of milk. There's no room to slosh.
That's like you have no room for the image to move up or to the left. It cannot be.
OK that being said,

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Only a small portion of the lower right contains a sliver of ink

Do I understand that you printed it and it was all messed up?

If that is so. please check the driver, and make sure the Layout tab is showing Output size same as Paper size... no numbers in there.

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »

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My test image is 8-1/2 x 11.  In page editor view, it showed the image as 8.5 x 11 but I did not see the print location fields you show in your image.

There are two tabs in the Page editor
One is Cropping, and the second is Size/Location.
That's the tab you want that will show you where you are.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 08:59:24 PM »

I assumed the box that I drag the image to was called a template.  

Page Editor screenshot below.

Alan

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 09:00:15 PM »

Printer Properties.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 09:07:49 PM »

Let me just ask this question and get it out of the way.  Can I actually print an 8-1/2 x 11 image on 8-1/2 x 11 paper?  If that is my problem and I cannot do that then I will quit wasting everyone's time with this thread.

And to answer your previous question, yes, my print did not print as stated in my post.  It was off by at least 1/8" top and bottom at minimum.

When I drag an image to the box, does that "preview" have any bearing on what the print will actually look like?

Alan
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 10:03:23 PM »

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Let me just ask this question and get it out of the way.  Can I actually print an 8-1/2 x 11 image on 8-1/2 x 11 paper?  If that is my problem and I cannot do that then I will quit wasting everyone's time with this thread.

And to answer your previous question, yes, my print did not print as stated in my post.  It was off by at least 1/8" top and bottom at minimum.

When I drag an image to the box, does that "preview" have any bearing on what the print will actually look like?

Instead of me saying YES, it will print an 8.5 x 11, I am printing one as I type.

Yes full bleed, edge to edge full 8.5 x 11 borderless. I have the print in my hand.

Yes, it is a preview of what the print will look like, albeit in low resolution.

OK look at my snap carefully.
There are three pieces of relevant information.
1) By hovering the mouse cursor over the image, I see the actual print size.
2) At the very top I see the printable area is 8.5 x 11, same as paper size.
3) At the very bottom, in that blue/green strip, Qimage is telling you the exact size of the print that it is sending to the driver.
(Click Print Queue tab to see this)

Now we are sure that Qimage is sending a full borderless print to the driver.

Move on....
Your driver is not set correctly somewhere.
I see that not setting to a premium type paper will cause the driver to ignore your check mark in borderless.
Is your paper loading tightly to the guides? Guides too wide, paper might be floating?
Is the paper a standard brand and size, or something that was cut  from a roll or a large sheet ?

Have you tried to print it my way, the Qimage way?

Set driver to Borderless and Premium Glossy or Luster at Letter size 8.5 x 11
Click the Zebra button on the thumbnail of the image, and when the print properties box opens, Turn on Crop, and click Fit to Page.
Click the + button of that same thumbnail
You new have the  image in the queue ready to print to 8.5 x 11.
PRINT .... just print!!!   If that doesn't get it done, you have printer problems.
NO TEMPLATE... keep it simple. Let's get the full sheet printed.
Then we can add a border  or two or three.
Fred
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 10:33:45 PM »

The Qimage "simple way" printed exactly the same.  I am using Epson Premium Presentation Matte paper pre-cut. It's the only paper I have. I will not waste any more of your time. I'll get help from other forums.

Below is the image I have been attempting to print as a test. 90% of the black border does not appear on the final print.

Thanks for your time.

Alan

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 08:12:51 AM »

Alan,
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I'll get help from other forums.
I doubt it, Fred is a real expert in the use of QU and the program developer keeps an eye on things and posts regularly.
We often have to wade through problems where there is insufficient detail, questions about set-up are not answered, wrong terminology used and misconceptions on how QU works.  Roll Eyes
Going back to your original post:
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I can see a little extra white space on the right and bottom
This is on the page preview on the main screen and it does not matter - it is merely a "preview".
Fred has told you that the accurate position of an image on a page is shown in the Page Editor Size/Location tab.
He's also told you you were wasting time and using Template Centred inappropriately, I hope you've got that now.
In your last post you said:
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Below is the image I have been attempting to print as a test. 90% of the black border does not appear on the final print.
You need to understand how borderless printing works, the driver expands the image and coverage of the nozzles to OVERLAP the page size so no white edges are seen at all.
You can see in your driver screen shot a slider showing the level of expansion set to Max - you are bound to loose some of the image at this setting.
QU has a setting to eliminate the expansion completely:
Edit-Preferences-Print and Page Formatting-Borderless Overspray/Expansion. See screen shot below.

A health warning comes with this setting that Fred has already mentioned too: unless your printer feed and guides are perfect, you are likely to set white slivers at some of print edges.
One final point to check since the subject of this thread is "Margin Shifting".
Check that additional page margins have not been set in QU in the Edit-Preferences-Print and Page Formatting again.
See screen shot below which shows almost zero margins when borderless is set in the driver. I don't know why the driver is showing this tiny "fixed" amount on 2 sides, maybe it's a feature of my R2000.
Terry
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 08:53:04 AM »

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The Qimage "simple way" printed exactly the same.  I am using Epson Premium Presentation Matte paper pre-cut. It's the only paper I have. I will not waste any more of your time. I'll get help from other forums.

Below is the image I have been attempting to print as a test. 90% of the black border does not appear on the final print.

Thanks for your time.

Allen,
You say you did it the simple way, but you didn't!
I said no borders until after we get a full bleed print since you were questioning the ability of the printer to do this.
Then I said, we can add, 1, 2 or three borders.
Terry caught my aim right away.
I would then add a border and if some of it was missing, you would literally see that the expansion had expanded the border off the page.

So be it.... I tried..

Fred
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 09:47:33 AM »

Alan

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The Qimage "simple way" printed exactly the same.  I am using Epson Premium Presentation Matte paper pre-cut. It's the only paper I have. I will not waste any more of your time. I'll get help from other forums.

Below is the image I have been attempting to print as a test. 90% of the black border does not appear on the final print.


This happens when borderless expansion is turned on (it is by default). You need to turn it off in the printer driver or in QI using
Edit>Preferences>Print Formatting>Borderless Overspray>Disable

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