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« on: December 31, 2022, 11:22:19 PM »

Q #1: Is there somewhere that shows how many are active in the forum? In a particular category?

Q #2: QU108 - Under the "Job Properties," far right window, I've selected the Printer, Media size, and a custom Red River profile. Does it matter what is shown or selected in Media Type? If so, why?

Q #3: QU108 - Under Edit/Preferences/Color Management, is it possible to add the names of third-party media so I can skip having to search the profile folder each time? If not, I'd suggest this as a software enhancement, unless it would cause some kind of other problem.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2023, 09:00:56 AM »

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Q #2: QU108 - Under the "Job Properties," far right window, I've selected the Printer, Media size, and a custom Red River profile. Does it matter what is shown or selected in Media Type? If so, why?

Q #3: QU108 - Under Edit/Preferences/Color Management, is it possible to add the names of third-party media so I can skip having to search the profile folder each time? If not, I'd suggest this as a software enhancement, unless it would cause some kind of other problem.

Question 2 and 3 are close to the same answer.
In Qimage on the right side when in the Printer and settings tab, there are a few icon buttons. Use the SAVE button  to the right of the Properties button to create printer setups.  Set the Printer in use, the paper size, paper type, and matching printer profile in the appropriate boxes Now SAVE giving it a name. See my  screen snap.   You can make as many setups as you like. Even for 8.5 x 11 and 13 x 19 for the same paper.
Now I want to use my ET 8550 Epson on HP Adv glossy paper. I purposely selected this situation to illustrate that paper choice is determined by what paper was used to make the printer profile.
I click the yellow folder again right next to the Properties selection box.
See screen snaps. It opens the saved setups but too many for me to wade through.
See 078 snap and you will get only pertinent setups after locating the down arrow at the bottom of the screen and selecting CURRENT PRINTER.
It shows only setups I made for that Eoson printer.
I can make various paper types and sizes.

Lets  stop here and see if you need more.
What printer do you use??
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2023, 01:10:16 PM »

Fred gave you the bottom line but let me give the summary by question number:

Q #1: Is there somewhere that shows how many are active in the forum? In a particular category?

When you first log into the forum, scroll down to the bottom and look at the forum stats and users online on the main forum page.  It won't show you what they are doing but it'll show you the users who are currently online in the forum.

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Q #2: QU108 - Under the "Job Properties," far right window, I've selected the Printer, Media size, and a custom Red River profile. Does it matter what is shown or selected in Media Type? If so, why?

Media type matters: you have to select the media type closest to the paper you are using.  When you select media type, it sets the ink density, paper thickness, required margins, etc. for the paper you are using.  Since your question 3 indicates you are using a profile, you need to be using the media type for that profile.  You wouldn't want to be using glossy paper and have a matte media type selected, for example.  And if you are using third party paper and a profile supplied by that third party for their paper, their profile should come with instructions as to what media type to select and potentially even what quality settings apply for that profile.  If your third party paper profile comes with no instructions, I suppose you could guess... but I'd be suspect of printer profiles that come with no instructions (settings): how good can their quality be if the person/company creating them doesn't know that every profile needs associated driver settings to be of any use.

I'll give you an example: let's say I buy XYZ brand glossy paper and download a profile from their website.  The profile I downloaded says "Epson ET-8550 XYZ Silky Smooth Glossy" (which matches the name on the box of paper I bought) and I get NO instructions with the profile and there are none on their website.  That profile is essentially useless because without the instructions on how to set settings in the driver, I don't know whether I should set media type to Epson Premium Glossy, Epson Ultra Glossy, or some other media type and I don't know what quality settings are valid for that profile.  Third party paper companies do this all the time: dump profiles on their website with no instructions... when all they'd need to do is specify what settings they used to create that profile!  Without that, as I said, the profile is useless.  When this happens, you could ask them what settings are applicable for that profile but in my experience, you typically get a blank stare or an "it doesn't matter" response.  I'm being a bit long-winded here because you mentioned using a profile and asking about media types and people who buy third party papers often have that question... for the reason I stated: they got a profile from the paper manufacturer but it came with no instructions as to the settings to use with that profile.  Gotta just take those profiles with a grain of salt: try them but if they are not very good, you'll know why!

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Q #3: QU108 - Under Edit/Preferences/Color Management, is it possible to add the names of third-party media so I can skip having to search the profile folder each time? If not, I'd suggest this as a software enhancement, unless it would cause some kind of other problem.

There should be no need to search.  Ever.  Unless the profile name doesn't match the printer (and media type) at all.  And even if you do have to search, you only have to search once: you should be saving printer setups.  For that, see Fred's post above.  An example.  You are using the ET-8550 and you are about to print on some (doesn't matter which) glossy paper.  With the ET-8550 selected, select the media type for that paper and then drop down "Printer Profile" on the main window of Qimage on the Printers and Settings tab and select "Suggest profiles".  That's it: no searching needed.  The profile you need will be one of the top few selections and if you are using a manufacturer's paper, it'll be the top profile in the list.  But again, you only have to do this once.  Once you find it, then save a printer setup under a name that you pick.  Then in the future, load it by clicking the recall (folder) button per Fred's post and selecting that name: a couple clicks and you have everything restored down to the media size, profile, and all driver settings.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2023, 04:57:45 PM »

Thanks Fred & Mike:

I recently purchased the Epson 8550. I previously owned Canon photo printers but ink costs and maintenance issues made for infrequent use. I know now, use it or lose it. I'm getting great results from my Sony/Luminar/Epson/Qimage combo.

I ordered and received two Red River sample kits, and downloaded and installed their ICC profiles. Your explanation regarding the "why" to Media Type setting(s) now makes sense. I noticed that RR provides an instruction sheet with their sample kits which indicate the matching Epson/Canon/HP "Media Type" for each of their corresponding papers. I now see why the Qimage "Media Type" drop-down menu selections are driven by the print driver defaults, which likely is important when working with multiple printers.

From the explanations above, I was able to save and recall the printer/job settings. Resolution accomplished.  Wink 



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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2023, 09:03:49 PM »

So, while we're on the subject - Fred - tell me how you like this Epson printer.  How does the print quality compare to Canon pro?  My Epson 3000 is threatening to head for that big print driver in the sky, and I am considering my options, maybe even 17 inch wide.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2023, 08:28:24 AM »

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So, while we're on the subject - Fred - tell me how you like this Epson printer.  How does the print quality compare to Canon pro?  My Epson 3000 is threatening to head for that big print driver in the sky, and I am considering my options, maybe even 17 inch wide.

Well, Mel (hey that rhymes)
The problem is not with the printer, it is more what I want compared to what you want.
Starting at the beginning, my Canon Pro 100 made the most breathtaking prints. It had tiny cartridges  of 13ml of ink in 8 colors
Light Gray, Gray, Black, Photo Magenta, Photo Cyan, Regular Cyan and Magenta plus Yellow.
All this detail to illustrate that One or Two cartridges were always blinking a low warning.  I printed 4 12 x 18, and it blinked and blinked. ENOUGH! Each cartridge costs 17.00 I was spending 100 dollars a month. The prints were so gorgeous that I  considered it cost of gorgeous prints, AND IT WAS USING DYE ink.
So if I was to replace the ink drinker, it had to use DYE ink.
Enter the Canon G620. Tank inks and Dye ink.  Oh my, perfect prints and after 200 8.5 x 11, my gray showed 3/4 low. I have a backup set which cost 15.00 for a huge bottle of 57ml  of Dye ink. Printer is still prominent with a real red included.
Only downside was 8.5 x 11 is maximum size.
I have a really good friend that (guess who) who checked it out plus Jose Rodriguez, guru of printers all proclaiming greatness.
I got one, and it is beautiful, prints compared to the Canon, almost identical.  It does work with 13 x 19 size, and you ca use great profiles for Epson papers.  I have a ton of Canon paper also, but I wanted to use the 13 x 19 size. So I had profiles made for the 8550 on Canon paper...

Summary,  Print quality excellent, and we hope it is well made and will last a log time.
As I was spending 100 bucks a month for Canon ink,this printer will pay for itself in 9 months.
You are welcome to call me 941 359 1933 anytime if you have more questions.
Happy new year
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2023, 04:42:27 PM »

Throwing in another datapoint, I have the original Canon PRO-100. What I found was that plain paper ink consumption was huge, so much so that I never print plain paper documents with it. Photos, OTOH, seem to use a lot less ink. Go figure. I use Red River Ultrapro Gloss II (#1656) most of the time, but just started using Polar Matte (#1870). I don't print a lot and might use 2-3 ink sets a year. My guess is that surface could have a lot to do with ink consumption. I also don't seem to have any problem with disuse. I can go months at a time with no clogs, in fact I've never had a clog in the life of the printer, and I never do a cleaning. I only use Canon inks.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2023, 07:44:49 AM »

 
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Throwing in another datapoint, I have the original Canon PRO-100. What I found was that plain paper ink consumption was huge, so much so that I never print plain paper documents with it. Photos, OTOH, seem to use a lot less ink. Go figure. I use Red River Ultrapro Gloss II (#1656) most of the time, but just started using Polar Matte (#1870). I don't print a lot and might use 2-3 ink sets a year. My guess is that surface could have a lot to do with ink consumption. I also don't seem to have any problem with disuse. I can go months at a time with no clogs, in fact I've never had a clog in the life of the printer, and I never do a cleaning. I only use Canon inks.
I love my Pro 100. As I said many times, that 8 color printer plus Dye ink made the most breathtaking prints ever.
The ink cost was a burden. I do print a lot. I too never had a clog anywhere.
So my looking for a Bottle Ink DYE ink printer was created..
My plain paper printing is done by my third printer; an Epson Workforce 3640.
BTW, the ET-8550 has a separate paper compartment for plain paper and is user activated.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2023, 01:28:32 PM »

The Pro-100 was my main printer for 5+ years.  Incredible prints but you quickly discover the down side: cost.  In my mind, it's even more expensive than Fred discovered because there may be 13 ml of ink in each cart but that's in both the liquid and sponge part.  Nobody tries to use all the ink in the sponge: we all replace them when (or soon after) the liquid compartment is empty because we know Canons will burn out the head if the cart runs empty; and that liquid compartment only holds 8-9 ml of ink!  So to try to solve this, many of us went to refilling with 3rd party ink... only to find the hidden cost in that: prints unprotected in a normal interior room (not in sunlight) will fade so badly that they will need to be replaced in 2-3 years unless you want to look at faded prints, blacks that have turned rust colored, etc.

In steps the 8550 that can produce the same size prints at nearly the same quality as the Pro-100 but one that you can now use OEM ink that doesn't fade for about the same ink cost as the Pro-100 running third party inks.  And instead of paying $17 for 8 ml of ink, you can pay the same price for 70 ml.  The 8550 is having your cake and eating it too.  The best of both worlds is having a printer that runs at about the cost of third party inks but uses non fading OEM inks.  If you get an 8550, do not put 3rd party inks in it!  That's defeating the purpose (and hardly saving any money).  We finally have a printer that we can refill but with OEM inks that don't fade like the 3rd party options and we can give away or even sell prints and not worry about questionable ink quality and quick fading.  Enjoy it!

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2023, 04:19:14 PM »

Great insights, Mike.

My experience was similar. However, I never went down the refilling or third-party ink trail. I just left a Facebook group, Epson EcoTank Printers, due to the high numbers of people using 3rd party inks (Amazon) and then asking for help due to various problems. There are even those wanting to purchase 8550 and use non-OEM ink!  Roll Eyes Many people don't realize that China, as a supply chain/source of product(s), is not only risky due to toxicity issues, but they're masters at creating the proverbial "silk purse from a sow's ear." Very few items are built to last for years, e.g. loads of camera accessories. My comments have nothing to do with racial identity.

The ET-8550 owners represent a unique group for the things you've mentioned. On this fading issue (pigment vs. dye), I asked one individual to explain how they knew pigment inks would last 200-400 years when the technology is 20th century with lab testing. Crickets. I further pledged that my 8550 images/prints come with a full-replacement warranty. If they're not put in direct sunlight and they fade and the customer isn't pleased, I'll replace them (print others) at no charge and with free postage. Some are obsessed with longevity. You'd think they were purchasing or creating a true Rembrandt.

I'm wondering how the 8550's popularity might begin to undermine sales of other photographic printers and pigment inks. I doubt Epson can maintain printer profits margins based on the volume sales of EcoTanks.

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2023, 05:07:30 PM »

I think they make some estimation on the longevity of pigment and dye inks using accelerated testing where they blast high intensity light at them.  Wilhelm/Aardenburg used to test papers/inks that way.  I think today's dye inks are pretty comparable to pigment inks.  They don't fade like they used to in the early days.  Unless you use 3rd party inks.  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2023, 12:46:52 AM »

Q #1: Is there somewhere that shows how many are active in the forum? In a particular category?


If you click on the user tally at the bottom of the main page, you will get a complete list of individual users and what activity they are doing currently.

Sure are a lot of guests today!
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