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Author Topic: New/old user: Inconsistent colors using ICC profile  (Read 13523 times)
MarieC
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« on: January 05, 2010, 08:19:35 PM »

I'm using Qimage again after a 3 year hiatus from playing with pictures.  I'm using a Canon MP600 printer.  I played around with the printer driver settings and got satisfactory results.  Pics looked good, some great but not WOW.  After reading all the posts and newsletters (thanks for the one on using Canon printer profiles) about color management and ICC profiles.  Following Mike's directions, I finally found the profile for the paper I'm using (Photo Paper Plus Glossy), set up the drivers, ICC profile and printed my first picture.  WOW!  Printed another photo I'd been experimenting with and once again--WOW.  Printed yet a different photo--YUCK--very dark and dull.  Printed the 4th photo I'd been working on---YUCK---dark again.  The pictures that were WOW looked exactly like they looked on my monitor.
Any ideas on what happened?
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Fred A
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 08:43:08 PM »

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Printed yet a different photo--YUCK--very dark and dull.  Printed the 4th photo I'd been working on---YUCK---dark again
Now print one of the WOW photos again and see if you get YUK or WOW.
Also please define YUK!
If the colors are what is YUK, and nothing else was changed, driver setting, quality, paper type, color controls off, then I would suspect clogging nozzles first.
Fred
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 09:19:47 PM »

What file-format are the pictures you're printing: TIF, JPG, RAW, and any difference between the WOW or YUCK ones?

What is the ICC profile embedded in the original images you're trying to print: sRGB, AdobeRGB, ProPhotoRGB, and does this change from the WOW and YUCK images?
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MarieC
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 09:48:06 PM »

I have no idea what ICC profile is embedded in the images.  I don't even have any idea how to find that out.  All were taken with my new Canon Rebel Xs.  All are jpeg's.

Yuck is defined as dark and lifeless as compared with the image showing on my monitor.  I reprinted as suggested with the same results.  Picture 1 printed exactly like the picture on the monitor.  Picture 2 was dark and lifeless, nothing like the picture on the monitor.

I had run the nozzle cleaner yesterday before I started printing pictures.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 10:01:01 PM »

The righthand part of the info given for each photo in the View Print Queue area is the profile.  sRGB and AdobeRGB would be possibilities for JPGs coming directly out of a DSLR and is a seting in the camera, itself.

If you are making adjustments to the photos in some program like Lightroom or Photoshop, then the profile that is embedded in the photos is determined within that photo-editing program and may be different.   Can you confirm whether these JPGs are direct from the camera or have been manipulated by some other program and whether that program has been used to export or save new copies of the manipulated images?

The reason for inconsistency between WOW and YUCK can be a mis-configured profile, somewhere, or double-profiling, where both QImage and the printer are trying to account for the profile, or even the printer being set to Auto Color and trying to fix an image that QImage has already adjusted and sometimes guesses well and sometimes does not.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 10:03:20 PM »

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Picture 2 was dark and lifeless, nothing like the picture on the monitor.
If you could possibly email one YUK and one WOW image, that would allow me to see if there is an embedded profile, and also allow me to make two prints and see what is going on.
Since they are JPGs, there should be no problem emailing them together in one email or one attached to each of two emails.

That will save a lot of guessing.
Thanks to Steve for thinking of embedded profiles.
Fred

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fred.auerbach@gmail.com

Either one will work fine.

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MarieC
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 10:28:21 PM »

Steve,   I think that you've hit on the problem.  The photo that is printing dark and lifeless--Photo 2 was indeed manipulated using Canon's ZoomBrowserEX.  However,  I can't find any print properties in the Print Queue.
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MarieC
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 10:39:33 PM »

Steve, I found it.  It says sRGB, the same as the original picture.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 12:08:20 AM »

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The photo that is printing dark and lifeless--Photo 2 was indeed manipulated using Canon's ZoomBrowserEX.  However,  I can't find any print properties in the Print Queue.
Marie,
I just sent you an email with the cure including a screen snap of the images looking proper.
I think Steve had the right idea. If you did any image manipulation in Zoombrowser, it is likely that the adjustments you made were stored in a sidecar type file. If so, only Zoombrowser could see the adjustments.
If you viewed the image in Zoombrowser, but didn't create a new JPG which would include the adjustments, then Qimage only had the original which was MUDDY to say the least.
I think you will be happy with the results. I just made a couple of glossy prints, and they are beautiful.
Even the WOW print of the baby needed a little touch up which I noted in the email. I also cropped that gorgeous face in a portrait layout.

Take your time. Make a print, and advise.
Fred
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MarieC
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 03:54:00 AM »

After I made the adjustments in Zoombrowser I did save a new jpeg.  Who knows what's happening.  Maybe my printer is just tired.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 02:37:15 AM »

Hi Marie,

Not sure if you've solved it or not, but if the 'wow' images are of different subjects/colour range than the 'yuk' ones, e.g. landscape cf portrait', then maybe it is an ink flow problem. I am not familiar with your canon printer, but for epsons, on some papers the yellow test pattern is very difficult to see. If you print with some yellow missing, it can look a bit lifeless, so the first thing is to check your printer nozzles. If they are  ok, do a print. If it is 'yuk', run another nozzle check to confirm. For many printers, in particular towards the end of the cartridge life, you get ink foam, not liquid, which will give intermittent print quality. If Fred has got both printing good, and if you have them both saved as srgb and they both look good in qimage, then there can't be much else wrong, except inkflow, or a really screwed up printer profile,  if some print good and some print bad.

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 12:36:07 PM »

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I am not familiar with your canon printer, but for epsons, on some papers the yellow test pattern is very difficult to see. If you print with some yellow missing, it can look a bit lifeless, so the first thing is to check your printer nozzles.
If you print one of the 7- or 8-color purge patterns with Plain Paper and "Normal" resolution (Epson driver), you can easily see whether all the yellow nozzles (or any color nozzle for that matter) are firing.  Any nozzle not firing will leave a telltale line of a different color in the column of one or more colors.
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MarieC
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 04:28:08 PM »

Ray,  Thanks for the suggestions.  I've cleaned, deep cleaned, changed all the inks, downloaded new drivers.  None of these suggestions have worked.  The pictures that I was working on were all similar, family members taken Christmas morning.  I've emailed Canon once again to see if they have any suggestions but haven't heard back from them yet.  Keeping in mind that I can indeed print and if I don't like what I get I can play with the filters, print again and keep doing that until I get a print I like.  However that takes up a lot of paper and ink. Sad  I do occasionally find a picture that prints exactly the way it should.  I'm just looking for more consistency.  Perhaps someone familiar with the Canon Pixma MP600 or 620 will see this and be able to help.  Fred has gone above and beyond in trying to help.   Cheesy
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