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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 09:29:51 PM »

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I can't seem to find an editor with a colour picker tool, are we talking about QI-Pro?
I have setting to define an external editor, that's it.
I'm really puzzled now! You've said you had made a filter already - that is the editor.
Right click on the thumb or add to the queue, right click on the image on the page preview and choose batch filter.
The terminology for Qimage Ultimate is now image editor, it used to be create filter, it's the same thing. The editor makes a non-destructive filter to edit the image.

Any more thoughts about letting me play with your image, I sent you an e-mail. We could then solve this very quickly I'm sure.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 06:20:15 AM »

ah, yes! ok, I was looking for Qimage Editor in the menus and couldn't find one...
Please bear with me!

I sent Terry a link to download the image, with the resulting values for pixel 1700x1200.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 09:02:58 AM »

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I sent Terry a link to download the image, with the resulting values for pixel 1700x1200.
Thank you Gian,
I have been in contact with Terry as we usually do when trying to help.... he sent your image ti me.. I get the same numbers that Terry gets.
If you are using Epson Paper and Epson ink and an Epson profile (the correct one for the paper and printer),
You should not get a magenta cast.
If you do, try a head alignment run using the utility in teh driver, and then another cleaning cycle.
My printer has the flu, and Terry is making the test print, same printer that you have.

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Fred

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 09:19:48 AM »

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I get the same numbers that Terry gets.
If you are using Epson Paper and Epson ink and an Epson profile (the correct one for the paper and printer),
You should not get a magenta cast.
Yes, those numbers are just on the warm side of neutral: RGB 218, 209, 195. Gian's numbers were 224, 212, 197, just a little brighter.
I did 2 test prints, one on Ilford Smooth Gloss with a custom profile and one on Epsom Premium Gloss with the Epson profile. Both prints are pretty well identical, no magenta cast and the area where we checked the RGB values looks just a little on the warm side of neutral as expected.
I agree with Fred, you need to look at your printer.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 09:32:36 AM »

I think Gian used a different program to pull out the RGB values, so that might explain the different pixel values
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 10:21:05 AM »

now that I know where to look for, I will double check the pixels with Qimage Editor...
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 10:29:53 AM »

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now that I know where to look for, I will double check the pixels with Qimage Editor..
I strongly recommend that you also do this with the monitor profile turned off. That way you get the true values for the image and not altered by the monitor profile.
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 12:15:31 PM »

I was not able to get on the same pixel (cheap mouse?), but at 1702x1202 I get:

with monitor profile
222-211-198

without monitor profile
222-211-197

it seems that there is no influence.

I do not know if it is relevant, but I run Qimage inside a virtual XP in a Linux Ubuntu box.
The monitor profile is loaded in Ubuntu.

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 12:24:19 PM »

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I was not able to get on the same pixel (cheap mouse?), but at 1702x1202 I get:

with monitor profile
222-211-198

without monitor profile
222-211-197

it seems that there is no influence.

Just curious! How was the monitor profile made?
I think I saw it listed in Job Properties in Qimage, so Qimage should be utilizing it.

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2012, 08:16:03 PM »

well, frankly I don't know how the monitor was calibrated.

It all started when I wanted to have one of my shots printed at a fine art shop.
The colours came out different from my prints, and they suggested to calibrate the monitor.
Because they serve top professionals, I trusted that they knew what they were doing.

Now, the calibrated monitor is a NEC driven by an HP notebook, and connected to a docking station.
I notice now that I am away from my desk, (and btw in front of the panorama you have printed), that the notebook has EXACTLY the same pixel value of the NEC.

How can this be possible.
I wonder if the combination of external monitor and Virtualbox has messed everything up.

In the end, my printer may have clogged/dirty nozzles, but I can't understand how one can tweak Q-Pro to adjust colour bias, if my settings do not change neither on screen nor on paper.
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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2012, 09:22:13 PM »

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well, frankly I don't know how the monitor was calibrated.
I just Googled Ubuntu Color Managment, looks tricky.  Shocked
A question that needs to be answered (i can't): is colour management and the use of a monitor profile active in Ubuntu and/or is it active in XP in your virtual PC? Is the monitor profile activated on PC start-up and working with video card to make the adjustments from the profile look-up table?
It could be Colour Management is not working at all in the virtual PC.
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2012, 09:38:04 PM »

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It all started when I wanted to have one of my shots printed at a fine art shop.
The colours came out different from my prints, and they suggested to calibrate the monitor.
Because they serve top professionals, I trusted that they knew what they were doing.

It seems to me, Gian, that somewhere you got bad information.
I am going to break apart the above quote.

"It all started when I wanted to have one of my shots printed at a fine art shop"
They made prints for you!

"The colours came out different from my prints, and they suggested to calibrate the monitor."

Your prints came out with different coloration, and they advised you profile your monitor.
Did I get it right?


The monitor profile has nothing to do with the prints at all. Nothing!  You can borrow a friend's monitor, or buy a new one, or shut it off when ready to print, the prints will be the same each time.

The only time the monitor profile comes into play is when you rely on it to adjust the image (darker, lighter, sharpen, etc.). Then you are adjusting the image based on a correctly adjusted monitor.
If you didn't adjust any colors on the image, then the monitor will not affect anything in your print.

So back to basics. The printer is defective. The printer profile is not correct for the paper. Your driver selections of paper and No Color Adjustment set in driver may be missed. etc.

Sorry, but that's what I come up with...

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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2012, 05:18:13 AM »

Fred,

of course the monitor has nothing to do with the printer, but the calibration - as I understood - is the way to go to TALK the same colours with the print service.

I might be happy of my prints even if they are wrong, but if I want THEM to print the same colours as me, we must start with what we see on the screen.

I agree that something must be wrong with the printer, and probably I should invest in new inks even if they are not empty, but still, when I'll have a printer reset to factory defaults, I must find a way to tweak Q-Pro to obtain the colours I want, and have them printed by the lab.

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2012, 05:55:53 AM »

I do not quite understand, in QI Ediitor, what is the filtered<->unfiltered slider for.
The label says it is for red eye correction, or blemishes.
If the slider is half way, I can see the filter effect of, say, a blue saturation of -77,
Because it is very subtle, at first I had a hard time to see any difference.
Is this how colour filtering works?
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 06:44:29 AM »

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I do not quite understand, in QI Editor, what is the filtered<->unfiltered slider for.
That is the Filter preview window. The slider splits the window so the filtered (= adjusted) image is shown to the right of the slider and un-filtered to the left.
Having the split helps you to see the difference the filter makes - not always easy! It is helpful to increase the magnification sometimes and choose a suitable area of the image to see the differences. Right click on the image in the editor to select an area and open the preview.
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The label says it is for red eye correction, or blemishes.
The Blemish/Redeye feature is activated in the preview window it is not related to the slider which should be over to the left when being used.

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I might be happy of my prints even if they are wrong, but if I want THEM to print the same colours as me, we must start with what we see on the screen.
From what I can see there is nothing wrong with your image, it prints fine here and from what you say the prints you make are ok. too.
I think we may have misunderstood; it's the Print Service prints that are wrong, not yours - have I got that right?
If that is the case, it's the Print Service problem and their colour management. Maybe they can't handle images that are Adobe RGB and assume all is sRGB? Are they a "high street" service or a professional lab?

One other point, if you are modifying and image with a filter for the print service to use, you'll have to save-as ...  from the editor to incorporate the filter adjustments. You can convert to sRGB there too.

Terry
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