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nzgiclee
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« on: November 04, 2009, 03:00:35 AM »
I'm wondering why I get the message, "Out of system resources", when I try to process a large file?

OK so maybe this computer is a bit of a clunker - but I can upsize in Photoshop with bicubic-sharper, add width to the canvas, manually apply edge markers and print to TIFF  - on the very same computer.

Yes, sure the file is not small, at 987MB, but why can Photoshop do it and not Qimage? I'd much prefer to use Qimage for several reasons, and I wouldn't care if it took ten minutes or more. Is there something I can change to get around this problem? I can't seem to free up any system resources any way I try.

By the way, a couple of years ago I could process this exact same file on the same computer. I just did some edits and now it won't process.

Anyone else have this problem?
Paul,
Queenstown, New Zealand
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 11:32:04 AM »
Hi Paul,
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I'm wondering why I get the message, "Out of system resources", when I try to process a large file?
If you open Help from the file menu and click Analyze Current Settings with the SHIFT key held down, Q will tell you the file size limit for your system. On my XP PC I get about 900MB, (correction 753 MB, can increase it by eliminating start up programs) and on a Vista laptop with 2GB RAM, 1500MB. It's related to Windows memory management.
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By the way, a couple of years ago I could process this exact same file on the same computer. I just did some edits and now it won't process.
It could be you have more stuff running from start-up that is taking memory allocation.
Terry
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 08:30:56 PM »
Thanks, Terry.
It says, Start: 764 MB, Addl: 449 MB, Now:764 MB. Guessing that Addl might mean additional, the math doesn't work, but either way it is not enough for my file size.

I've already stripped XP back to the bones but still it doesn't process what it could a couple of years back when XP had all the bells and whistles running. I still am certain that I processed this very same file to 44" x 58" previously, direct to EPson 9800 printer. Now I only want to print it to full-size TIFF, to process on my Mac via proprietary driver. Maybe that's the difference. Maybe spooling to printer is lighter than building to Tiff.
Paul
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 10:18:02 PM »
You can increase the memory available by using the 3GB Switch in XP.
Google "How Set 3GB Switch" and you'll get there.
Terry.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 12:04:23 AM »
I don't know if you keep PS open while you are doing this or not so I'm not sure if this applies but I will run it by you.  I use Lightroom, and I get that message quite often when converting from NEF to another format.  I searched the Adobe forum and it was suggested to exit LR, then open it up again (I am not very technical but it referred to something about length of time that LR was open relative to eating up memory).  It worked.  But, I have to repeat this process each time it happens and it is fairly frequent.  It doesn't sound like it is related but then again maybe.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 08:04:36 AM »
Paul,
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You can increase the memory available by using the 3GB Switch in XP.
When I booted up this morning I invoked the 3GB switch to check the difference it makes - I had the alternative boot.ini set up some time ago.
The result was up from 753MB to 1073MB so it would be worth a go for you and could solve the problem.
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Maybe spooling to printer is lighter than building to Tiff.
Now that you've said that, I think there s a difference between Print to File and to Printer. Qimage sends data to a printer in "manageable" batches rather than dumping the whole lot to the driver. That would not happen with PTF I assume.
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Yes, sure the file is not small, at 987MB, but why can Photoshop do it and not Qimage?
The other thing I've remembered is that PS has its own memory management system to overcome Windows limitations. However I believe that Qimage can print much larger files than PS because it does not dump all the data on the driver at one go.
Terry.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 08:50:55 AM »
Eljae, thanks for your comment.
I know PS is a memory hog. You can allocate the amount of RAM you want to let PS use and assign scratch disks for memory beyond that. I have a hard drive partition just for that. However, when using Qimage for the big files I often close down PS and clear the memory because I'm not sure if PS frees things up even when it shuts down. It would be nice if Qimage could work on a scratch disk like PS.

Terry, I always appreciate the detailed attention you give to people's queries..
I studied the 3GB switch thing a bit today. Frankly I'm a bit scared to try it. I have a tech guy I'll ask about it. It seems the best way is probably to have it as an option on boot up rather than on full-time.

Cheers, Paul
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 10:48:25 AM »
Paul,
Thanks for the complement  Smiley
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I studied the 3GB switch thing a bit today. Frankly I'm a bit scared to try it. I have a tech guy I'll ask about it. It seems the best way is probably to have it as an option on boot up rather than on full-time.
That's how it works, an option to have the 3GB switch on or off depending which boot.ini is selected. You must have the 2 boot.ini files in place and either can be set as the default. On boot-up you get a few seconds to change from the default.
It's not that scary, see the pdf attached below, I dug it out from my file system. I'm sure your tech guy will know about it.

BTW. members of my family were in Queenstown a short while ago; they just managed to take advantage of the penultimate day of the skiing season. Beautiful scenery from what I've seen from the photos.
Terry.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 11:01:22 AM »
Those instructions look easier than what I found. I'll try it out tomorrow.

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BTW. members of my family were in Queenstown a short while ago; they just managed to take advantage of the penultimate day of the skiing season. Beautiful scenery from what I've seen from the photos.
I live just 3 Km from the top of Queenstown's Coronet Pk; yes, great scenery.
Thanks again, Terry,
Paul
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 03:45:21 AM »
Another way to clean out PS memory is to do a purge before you close the file.

Think 3 is bad?  Wait until the CS4 installs, THEN tells you about the minimum graphics card it wants to see to operate "efficiently."
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