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Author Topic: Qimage Epson 3800 ABW & Sepia  (Read 12863 times)
jsrose
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« on: February 12, 2010, 04:29:50 AM »

I can't seem to print a sepia-toned image using Qimage Pro, Epson 3800 and Epson ABW mode.

My system is Win7 64, CS4, calibrated monitor. latest Epson driver. The image is sepia-toned, in RGB mode, the image profile is Adobe RGB. I can get a beautiful sepia-toned print using Qimage and COLOR mode in the Epson driver. I can get a beautiful B/W print using Qimage and ABW mode in the Epson driver (with or without sepia selected in either auto or custom). But I can't get a sepia print using Qimage and Epson ABW mode. Any ideas? I tried converting the image to greyscale mode, but that didn't work either. Maybe I should just stick to the modes that work for me, but I'd sure like to see what the Epson ABW mode can do with sepia.

In all other respects, QI works wonders, thanks Mike  Smiley.

Thanks for your help,
Jack
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 09:55:07 AM »

I can't seem to print a sepia-toned image using Qimage Pro, Epson 3800 and Epson ABW mode.

My system is Win7 64, CS4, calibrated monitor. latest Epson driver. The image is sepia-toned, in RGB mode, the image profile is Adobe RGB. I can get a beautiful sepia-toned print using Qimage and COLOR mode in the Epson driver. I can get a beautiful B/W print using Qimage and ABW mode in the Epson driver (with or without sepia selected in either auto or custom). But I can't get a sepia print using Qimage and Epson ABW mode. Any ideas? I tried converting the image to greyscale mode, but that didn't work either. Maybe I should just stick to the modes that work for me, but I'd sure like to see what the Epson ABW mode can do with sepia.

In all other respects, QI works wonders, thanks Mike  Smiley.

Thanks for your help,
Jack


To reduce the confusion, if you use a greyscale image, bring it in Qimage, select printer driver does CM in Qimage, select ABW mode in the driver, add a sepia ink mix there, there will be no sepia print?   An R=G=B monochrome file wouldn't change that workflow.



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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 10:17:16 AM »

I can't seem to print a sepia-toned image using Qimage Pro, Epson 3800 and Epson ABW mode.

Jack,
I might be wrong here; just guessing from what I have seen on my friend's 3800, but the wonderful part pf that printer (for those who use it) is the ability to make excellent B&W prints.
It is my understanding that the ABW mode is the built-in Black and White driver.
It is likely that the B&W driver does not apply colors.
That is just a guess.
Fred

Thanks for your help,
Jack
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2010, 06:39:27 PM »

Ernst - thanks for your reply, here's what I did:

In Qimage:
1. Load greyscale TIF image.
2. Select "Let printer/driver manage color"

In Epson driver:
1. For Media type, select "Premium Glossy"
2. For Color, select "Advanced B&W photo"
3. For Quality Options, leave everything unchecked
4. For Mode, select either "Automatic" or "Custom" , result is same
5. In Options, select "Sepia"

At this point, the QI image preview is B/W
Select Print
Epson print preview is Sepia
Print is beautiful B/W.

Here's something interesting, perhaps a clue? When the Epson Print Preview is on screen, if I select "Color Controls" I can change "Color Toning" (neutral,sepia,etc.) and "Tone" options,(normal, darker, etc), the Epson print preview responds correctly, but the print is still B/W.


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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 07:10:30 PM »

Ernst - thanks for your reply, here's what I did:

In Qimage:
1. Load greyscale TIF image.
2. Select "Let printer/driver manage color"

In Epson driver:
1. For Media type, select "Premium Glossy"
2. For Color, select "Advanced B&W photo"
3. For Quality Options, leave everything unchecked
4. For Mode, select either "Automatic" or "Custom" , result is same
5. In Options, select "Sepia"

At this point, the QI image preview is B/W
Select Print
Epson print preview is Sepia
Print is beautiful B/W.

Here's something interesting, perhaps a clue? When the Epson Print Preview is on screen, if I select "Color Controls" I can change "Color Toning" (neutral,sepia,etc.) and "Tone" options,(normal, darker, etc), the Epson print preview responds correctly, but the print is still B/W.




This is strange. You can actually tone the print with ink color mix sliders and it still keeps the "neutral" B&W for the actual print.
Qimage makes on the fly an RGB image of a greyscale file  but as far as I know the driver B&W mode accepts both RGB and greyscale and consider it greyscale. At least it did so with Epson ABW modes and still does with HP Z B&W mode. So that can not be a reason. I guess the driver skips the ABW mode and takes the color mode instead and prints a "neutral" B&W as the file itself is a B&W image.

I guess you should reinstall the driver. Something makes a short circuit there.


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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 10:51:56 PM »

I stumbled across this post because I have finally built my PC and am slowly moving from Mac to my PC.  I have a 9900 and do print with ABW.  There have been some very informative posts on LL regarding ABW and Epson printers authored by Eric Chan who is one of the software contributors for Adobe.  In the Mac platform it was very important to have an sRGB profile assigned/converted to the file - as ABW wants to see that profile to work properly.  I tried to print a test image using ABW through Q and wasn't able to apply a sepia tint to the end image.  My image profile was ProPhoto.  I then converted the profile to sRGB (one of the long name sRGB profiles in PS).  When I printed the image again I got the sepia tint.  Try it and see.....

Victor
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 02:00:07 PM »

I re-visited the LL article and approached this printing issue a slightly different way but with the same results.  The printer driver controls color.  The original profile for your image does not get changed.  In other words if you use Prophoto as your working space then the image would stay in that profile space.  The icc for the printer DOES change and has to change to sRGB or some variant of it. You will have to tell Qimage to list ALL profiles in order to see that color space.  You will get your sepia print or a print that will replicate whatever adjustments you made for ABW.

Ernst,

Eric Chan information is here http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/.  He talks a great deal about ABW and Epson. 

Victor
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 07:25:08 PM »

Ernst,

I just printed an RGB image in ProPhoto space with the ABW driver, sepia color selected.  I selected 'let printer driver handle color' in Job properties and got a sepia toned print.  So, maybe with Q, all of this sRGB stuff isn't necessary.  My goal is to get the printer and software to do what I want without jumping through hurdles or doing things that I wouldn't normally do. 

In my previous post I applied an sRGB icc to the printer..... but what is taking control of the print?  Is the ABW driver in control or is Q?  I'll guarantee you I'm confused.  I'm happy that I was able to get the expected results by just using the ABW driver. 

Victor
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 08:28:45 PM »

Ernst,

I just printed an RGB image in ProPhoto space with the ABW driver, sepia color selected.  I selected 'let printer driver handle color' in Job properties and got a sepia toned print.  So, maybe with Q, all of this sRGB stuff isn't necessary.  My goal is to get the printer and software to do what I want without jumping through hurdles or doing things that I wouldn't normally do. 


Victor

So shall we both wipe our messages after the 5th message in this thread?

Finding solutions where no problem exists creates only confusion.

Still wonder why it doesn't work for Jack.



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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 10:09:15 PM »

I also checked the print preview box to see if my print preview would also show a sepia toned print based on my previous post settings...... and it does.  I am only posting this so that anyone having difficulty knows that with my settings I get the intended results.

Maybe all of this sRGB stuff is a Mac/Snowleopard/Colorsync issue and not a Windows issue.  There are lots of threads regarding the problems of Epson and Snowleopard.  So far I'm a very happy camper with Win7.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 04:11:12 AM »

First of all, thanks to all who replied, and for all your suggestions. I've been ill the past two weeks & was unable to  reply further. Since I've been home, I tried all suggestions and finally  discovered that  the default color controls in the Epson driver simply don't provide enough tint to be noticeable on my printer, with my paper, and in my viewing conditions, I settled on Sepia, Dark, H=75 V=0. these give me a very, very subtle sepia tint, but at least now, it is noticeable, and I can tell the difference between Sepia & B/W prints side by side. If I need a darker tint, I'll do it in PS and print using the Epson Color Mode. Again, many thanks for your help.

Jack
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 11:27:59 AM »

First of all, thanks to all who replied, and for all your suggestions. I've been ill the past two weeks & was unable to  reply further. Since I've been home, I tried all suggestions and finally  discovered that  the default color controls in the Epson driver simply don't provide enough tint to be noticeable on my printer, with my paper, and in my viewing conditions, I settled on Sepia, Dark, H=75 V=0. these give me a very, very subtle sepia tint, but at least now, it is noticeable, and I can tell the difference between Sepia & B/W prints side by side. If I need a darker tint, I'll do it in PS and print using the Epson Color Mode. Again, many thanks for your help.

Jack


Jack,

Go to the Digital B&W list on Yahoo, more people there with the knowledge how to use the ABW mode of Epsons. Next step is the super cheap Quadtone Rip that gives full control on the ink channels.


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