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Author Topic: Tone Targeted Sharpening for JPGs  (Read 17219 times)
Fred A
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« on: August 17, 2010, 12:07:16 PM »

With all the enthusiasm for the new Tone Targeted Sharpening focused on Raw images, I thought, before I was educated to try RAW, I was a devoted JPG man.
Let me dig out a few pre-raw jpgs that were pretty decent shots, and see what TTS does with them.
Wow was I surprised.... it brought out the best of my JPGs just like it did with Raw.

So if you thought that Qimage Ultimate was not for you because you are a JPG man, think again!
Using the Tone Targeting Sharpening on your old images will breath new life into them.
Try the demo. See for yourself.

The image below is a JPG shot as a jpg.
WOW
http://wa3ssz.jalbum.net/Fred%27s%20Stuff/Qimage-Ultimate%20Tone%20Targeted/slides/IMG_9287.html

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 02:00:02 PM »

Impressive, Fred, thanks for the examples.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 02:14:09 PM »

Owen,
I'm retired so I don't have as much free time as Terry.  Cheesy
He has just emailed me some samples of his old JPGS.
Wow!
I hope he does a link to a few of his.

Fred
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 02:30:17 PM »

Share the wealth, Terry!
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 03:30:32 PM »

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Share the wealth, Terry!
Here they are, you're making me work hard  Roll Eyes

http://www.pbase.com/tjm04/ttsjpeg

Fred, do you want to add your TTS jpeg's to the same gallery, just send them to me.

Terry
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 03:45:54 PM »

These are almost as good as you get from a foveon sensor, straight from camera  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 04:12:33 PM »

Hi Ray,
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These are almost as good as you get from a foveon sensor, straight from camera
I'm pleased that you like the results  Wink
I whipped through these in about half an hour.
It should be noted that some of the settings used are to demonstrate the effect of the different modes (eg. pink petal flower with bees) so others can see how it works.
I'm sure we could equal your favourite  jpeg camera with a little more time spent on them  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 05:23:34 PM »

Thanks for trying Tone Targeted Sharpening on JPGs and for showing them.
I've experimented with RAW on and off, but I usually take JPGs when traveling.  Yes I may lose a few, but I'm sure that would happen with RAW shots too.
Now there is more incentive to try Ultimate.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 05:55:54 PM »

Thanks, Terry, appreciate it.  I often shoot jpegs when they're perfectly appropriate for the end use.  I suspect I'm not alone in this.  As I said in another thread, I've often wished for selective sharpening in Qimage.  Now, essentially, that hole has been filled.  Great job, Mike.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 09:00:15 PM »

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As I said in another thread, I've often wished for selective sharpening in Qimage.  Now, essentially, that hole has been filled.
and of course, Mike, as is often the case with his software, done it in a unique way  Cheesy
Terry.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 09:26:16 PM »

Yes, and I assume that this method is simpler than developing an array of tools for selecting the area/areas to be sharpened?
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 09:36:39 PM »

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I assume that this method is simpler than developing an array of tools for selecting the area/areas to be sharpened?
Don't underestimate the sophistication behind the concept  Shocked
It's certainly easy to use but practice and experience is required to decide the best settings. However it's is SO easy to change from one option to another that it only takes a short amount of time to find the best one for the image.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 09:49:46 PM »

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SO easy to change from one option to another

Terry is so right..... but, Mike made this so easy to flip from one mode to another.
If you select TONE, for example. and use the dropper to pick the tone, when you change to other modes, just click the the EXCEPT TONE, or RGB, or EXCEPT RGB; so that's 4 of the six choices that keep the selected tone if that's one you want.
The Target Saturated colors or Neutrals need no eye dropper selection.

So it's easy, but you need to experiment and get to know what type of image (Face, landscape, portrait, group etc) might need a different selection.
Practice.... and it's fun!!

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 10:20:06 PM »

Hi Guys

I intend to take QU for a spin in the next few days and the TTS function looks like a winner  Cool on all fronts for prints & web sized images.  The examples posted are a wide range and in some cases look too strong in sharpening effect as I see artifacts but as I read it there are slider controls that can yield the right level for the subject(s).

But in advance of my trial can I pick your brains?  In normal PP'ing say PS one may do levels, capture sharpening, resizing whether for web or print then output sharpening but as QU & TTS is new approach what is your workflow especially for web sized images  Huh  In the case QSE the final sizing/crop and output sharpening for print is all default but any initial PP'ing is still by PS.

I hope you are able to offer this insight in the aim that it might shorten my initial learning appreciation of the power of TTS

TIA  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 11:55:56 PM »

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I assume that this method is simpler than developing an array of tools for selecting the area/areas to be sharpened?
Don't underestimate the sophistication behind the concept  Shocked
Terry
I'm not (I hope).  Actually, I'm in no position to judge, not being a programmer.

In the above, I meant, "simpler for the developer to implement," rather than implementing an array of selection tools which (as in most other photo editing programs) would allow selecting an area to be sharpened.  I could be completely off base here, too, though.

It's just that every time I found myself wishing for selective sharpening in Qimage, I reminded myself that Mike would have had to implement a half-dozen different selection tools, just like other photo editing programs.  Personally, I think TTS is a great way to go, since I'm not all that skilled with the selection tools in other programs.  It should be more than sufficient for my sharpening requirements, and in many cases will simplify my workflow.  I was just speculating that perhaps TTS was a bit simpler to implement than a bunch of selection tools.  Help me out, here.
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