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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 05:32:49 PM »

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I will keep working at it - the Terry illustrations show it can be done!!

Hi Jeff,
Send a nice size JPG  to Terry amd me... and I'll pass it to Mike. We will have a shot at it.
Sometimes, extra difficult images are good. It makes us all better, and most of all Mike may see something that needs a tweak in QU.

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Hello Fred.

Had another session with image and will send you a before and after direct 2.2 meg jpegs each so should email ok.

As you will see it's one of my failures, complete pole clutter, when shooting from moving train I just take anything that might be interesting.

One of my problems was I was dragging down so it was pulling in the 'arms' and creating further problems.  Getting rid of the arms first seemed to be the solution. Full screen it still does not satisfy me, but practice make perfect or a bit better.

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 07:12:32 PM »

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Had another session with image and will send you a before and after direct 2.2 meg jpegs each so should email ok.

As you will see it's one of my failures, complete pole clutter, when shooting from moving train I just take anything that might be interesting.

One of my problems was I was dragging down so it was pulling in the 'arms' and creating further problems.  Getting rid of the arms first seemed to be the solution. Full screen it still does not satisfy me, but practice make perfect or a bit better.

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I spent 2 hours yesterday on a test image, not successful.  I think I picked a difficult one, a Electricity Pylon on the skyline of snow covered hill with bits and pieces of blue sky and cloud
The electric towers on the mountain seem easy enough

ARMS?
Jeff, I need you to tell me what you call arms? Do you mean telephone poles?
Pole Clutter?
The long trail of poles seems to be the depth of the shot.

Specifically what are we vanishing?

Fred
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2016, 07:46:14 AM »

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Had another session with image and will send you a before and after direct 2.2 meg jpegs each so should email ok.



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The electric towers on the mountain seem easy enough

ARMS?
Jeff, I need you to tell me what you call arms? Do you mean telephone poles?
Pole Clutter?
The long trail of poles seems to be the depth of the shot.

Specifically what are we vanishing?

Fred

The Electric Pylons on the top left sky line, the correct term for the 'arms' is according to Wickepedia 'cross arms' that carry the wires.

I found it a difficult job, if you look closely you can faintly see the actual wires and these get copied when replacing the actual pylon and make the replacement look a bit mucky.

It is only a test of my skill using the feature, which I think will be very useful.

I would add that I have a thing about poles, telephone wires, electric wires and general urban clutter, I always have.
Our own bungalow which I built in a virgin field has no clutter, all wires are underground, - I hand dug the trenches, no TV aerials, no Sat dishes, even the washing clothes posts retract out of sight.

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2016, 09:21:29 AM »

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The Electric Pylons on the top left sky line, the correct term for the 'arms' is according to Wickepedia 'cross arms' that carry the wires.
According to Wiki that is not arms. That is a tower. Arms in this country too, are the same. The cross bars that hold the wires and insulators from pole top pole.

OK Now that I know that you want that electric tower removed from the upper left and the wire from upper right, (plus a dust blob that is on your sensor upper left), plus a second tower about 10 miles farther up on the left side, .. Done in 2 minutes.

Terry will spend some extra time and probably do a slightly better job, but I am much older than Terry, and do not have extra time to use up.   Tongue

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2016, 09:30:40 AM »

Here's 2 minutes more to clean the upper left area some more.
I also downsized the screen snaps so you can see the right side of the shot as well.
My screen snap program does not play nicely with Instaview in Qimage. So that was a challenge to snap from that screen.

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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2016, 10:00:27 AM »

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Terry will spend some extra time and probably do a slightly better job
I spent 15 minutes and got a perfect result.
See screen shot of the area where the pylon was.
The screen shot shows Fred's 2 minute session on the right, my 15 minute session on the left.
There are other items that were removed within the 15 mins which cannot be seen.
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2016, 10:14:54 AM »

That was super Terry... Now look at my second post with the 4 minute job. See the improvement?
This is the point. The more you practice the better results you will get.
The longer you work at making it closer and closer to perfect, the better results you get.
Remember what Mike said. There is no limit to how many dabs of Vanish you want to apply.
Have fun with this.
It is a breakthrough tool from Qimage Ultimate and our Mike.

Just take your time to get the hang of it.
You saw how Deep Focus Sharpening changed how you sharpen your images, and Unsharp Mask is now obsolete.
Learn Vanish and you will rarely look for a clone tool  ever again.

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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2016, 11:13:55 AM »

Jeff,

One piece of information about vanish that might help...

Vanish is adaptive.  It looks around the edge of the vanish circle to see what to include inside (what to draw inward and what to ignore).  It looks at what is around the perimeter and uses standard deviation, which means it'll draw in the information that is "common" and throw out the outliers.  This allows you to start dragging on an area like clouds and "cut" poles, or start in an area of grass and cut out a stick at the edge of the vanish circle.  However, if you start on the pole or stick and drag, it'll see that the pole/stick intersects both sides (or more) and it'll include it inside the vanish, smearing the object instead of removing it.  So basically, if you start in the middle of that tower and drag, it's going to pull tower in and just create a distorted tower.  If you start outside the area, however, and drag until the vanish reaches the edge of the tower pieces, it'll tend to "cut" them out (to a point).  Of course, you could also mask out the tower first as well, so that none of the tower is available to drag inward.  That's another method.

I'd be interested in how Fred and Terry did theirs.  Did they use masks?  Etc.  Because this one can be done with or without masks.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2016, 12:25:27 PM »

This is my rendition.  I took the time to take out a few other distractions.  Took me about 15 minutes including the few specs in the sky, dark power line top right, and the shadows bottom right.  I found it easiest to do this one without masks.  The only place I used a mask was the base of the tower where I wanted to retain the rock.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2016, 12:46:17 PM »

And Jeff,

Fred passed along your version.  It really wasn't bad at all for a first attempt!  From looking at it, I think the key is: don't be afraid to use larger radii on the vanishes to start.  That is, take off big chunks of the tower when starting, not worrying so much about any lines or squigglies that it creates in the clouds.  You can easily go back after the main portion is gone and smooth over any areas in the clouds with more vanishes on top.  That's how I did it.  Maybe I'll make a short video.

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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2016, 01:11:40 PM »

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I'd be interested in how Fred and Terry did theirs.  Did they use masks?
I used masks on the main part of the pylon. I don't think Fred did; I have his filter and there are no minus values.
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2016, 01:19:09 PM »

This is the 8 minute video of me removing the tower.  As there are many ways to do this and this is by no means the only way, I just wanted to illustrate what I did:

https://youtu.be/IM9j6bqCC98

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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2016, 01:58:46 PM »

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I used masks on the main part of the pylon. I don't think Fred did; I have his filter and there are no minus values.
Terry

Terry,
Do you have the 4 minute flt file?
It is time stamped 5:26 am
There are at least 40 or more lines in the pixel box showing use of masks

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2016, 03:01:02 PM »

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here are at least 40 or more lines in the pixel box showing use of masks
I looked again and there is - negative radius values.
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2016, 03:21:42 PM »

. . . . So basically, if you start in the middle of that tower and drag, it's going to pull tower in and just create a distorted tower.  If you start outside the area, however, and drag until the vanish reaches the edge of the tower pieces, it'll tend to "cut" them out (to a point).  . . . .

Mike

Thanks for that important clarification.  For several years now, one of my dirty little secrets has been my use of the blemish tool to remove facial hot spots - especially the small ones say at the tip of the nose, but sometimes even larger ones on the forehead.  I would always start at the center of the spot and drag out - worked wonderfully.  Obviously, with vanish, I will need to slightly adjust that technique  (I know, the real technique is to take better photos to begin with Grin)
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