Terry,
Interesting, but yours was up-rezzed in QU (I noticed that [Q] in the named TIF) so I would expect it to handle what it did doing a "Print to File" within QU.  Can the same be done with CS6 without going through QU?  I don't know what was done to the file, other than it was a file out of a D800E to TIF via CS6.

The original file TIF I have came out of CS6.  My screenshot is below.

Only odd thing I noted was the original showed as "Adobe 1998 RGB," and when I scaled it down in CS6 to try (and it worked) for QU it read as "Nikon Adobe RGB 4.0.0.3001" for some strange reason.  I don't know why or how it picked up the original Nikon RGB out of the file since my default is Adobe 1998 RGB.  

** Sidebar, I have noticed with PaintShop Pro X6 that it does have some oddity over CS6 in that when I launch it even my screen shifts color a bit warmer against CS6.  I have to go back into Windows 8-64 Color Management and reset the default each time I mess with PSP X6.  I played with PSP X6 Color Management a lot, but it does seem to do some oddities against PS for some reason.

Hopefully Adobe PS isn't monkeying around with their PS TIF images.  If they are, the subscription model may be interesting in a few years when people begin having backwards compatibility issues trying to read them if they cancel their subscription (Shades of AutoDesk's AutoCAD!).

Back on topic, I noticed in the QU Help this: "If you are opening large images, make sure you have enough RAM installed and also check your Windows virtual memory settings and try increasing virtual memory."  Don't know if this may apply here?

No big deal since I got it to print, just odd.

Oh. And a "BIG YES" in that QU does a far better job of print sharpening over most all others - even Adobe!    I sort of dread going to Ergosoft's StudioPrint 14 RIP (B&W Piezo printing) for fear it might not be sharp or much like the soft prints out of PS CS6, but maybe passing it through "Print to File" in QU will be a bit better in sharpening for it?  Guess I could try a file out of CS6 and one done through QU's "Print to File" to compare the sharpness.


Mack

Okay. I did the "Analyze" part in QU > Help > Shift+Analyze:

Start: 2146 MB
Addl: 1436 MB
Now: 2146 MB

In the bottom bar in QU is this: File name.tif: 1,864,527,552 bytes, 14840 x 20940, IPTC, ICC: *Adobe RGB (1998)* (File "Details" show it as 720 dpi.)

Supposedly, it was sized for a 17 x 24.5 inch print which I thought would go into the Epson 3880 via QU, but PS-CS6 did accept and print it.  It was off a Nikon D800E camera if it matters.

More odd is that the printed image does appear soft out of PS as well.  I also altered it later in PS CS6 with its "Resize" tool and QU accepted it at 360 dpi which made it smaller at 265,284,827 bytes, 4912 x 7360 and ICC: *Nikon Adobe RGB 4.0.0.3001* for some reason got in it too.  Bit depth is still 48 and Resolution unit is 2 as was the large file, but it now prints in QU being smaller.

Oddly, the newly re-sized image is sharper than the PS made one too, but my default "Sharpen" setting in QU is 12 too.  Too bad PS cannot sharpen as well as QU does.

The original large file was stamped with CS6 as well.  Didn't know they could go that big (1.8+GB).  Getting only one TIFF image on a DVD was sort of surprising.  Can't even fit 3 onto one DVD now.

I thought the Epson was capable of 1440 dpi and it wouldn't be a printing issue as it was a 720 dpi file I was given, but seems the file size is a big deal in QU.

For fun, I loaded the large TIFF original file into Corel PaintShop Pro Ultimate X6-64 and it printed it too.

Aside, DxO Optics Pro 8 and 9 Elite don't work at all with the Epson 3880 driver so I couldn't try it with them.  They admitted to their software is having issues with Epson drivers though and plan to address it.  Works fine sending to the Canon printer out of those two.


Mack

Got an image on a DVD.  File is huge: Adobe 1998 RGB, 1.8GB and 48-bit depth which I suspect is why I got the following QU error ("Image Read Error") attached image in the left lower view pane.

I printed it via PS (CS6) so no issue there, other than maybe a two minute wait for the printer to load it and start, but was curious as to which issue QU has with the file, either 48-bit or the 1.8GB of the original?  I noticed to in the details it was 720 dpi as well (??), Uncompressed.

Fwiw, Windows 8-64 with 12GB RAM so it shouldn't have had an issue - maybe - since PS (CS6) printed it.  Some hidden internal place where I can raise the QU image size buffer maybe?


Mack

Curious if I can omit the Epson and Canon printer drivers and maybe drop directly into a RIP software program driver that allows for sundry sizes other than the manufacturer allows, say a RIP driver/software program like StudioPrint 14 out of Qimage?

Tia.

Mack

Fwiw, that's what I was doing by trying to get a blacker black, i.e. move the printer driver to a darker percentage within the Epson printer software.  Only problem is that is messes up profiles badly for some reason doing that.  Shadows get very blocked up too and you lose a lot of detail in there too.

Yeah, the black goes much darker and richer, but so do the shadows and colors within them too.  Bad crossover from a yellow highlights to a burple appearing around step 8-10 of the 21 step chart, and on up to around step 18 where I saw it still purple until I got to the maximum black (or L value in the x-rite devices).  On one brand of paper, it didn't go burple, but a chocolate brown in the shadows.

I wrote to x-rite since I use their profile tools and they said much the same, "You can't get a decent profile by setting the control to a darker percentage."  The only way you can is to mess with the curves like I do and get a linear profile curve applied after you hit your best black using the color percentage density.  You have to be able to measure your 21 steps though with something (ColorMunki Photo or i1 Photo spectrometer head) to see how it works in the spreadsheet linearization curve tool though.

Once you get it linear (Shadows holding detail, and the whites not being darker up with the more ink applied.), you can apply a bit of corrective color within the step range where you see the burple cast using the Curve tab in Qimage to negate it.  Nice rich blacks and whatever neutral or color tone you want.  You can apply maybe 20-30% Darker in the Epson driver prior to going through it all though to maximize the blacks.

It works, just a big pain to go through it all for each printer and paper.  Sort of a take-off on the QTR RIP software if you work through it a few times, just that that software is too soft for me in sharpness, and it throws out a lot of Error codes both.


Mack

  

An old 3800?  I'll have you know I have a new 3880, humph!     Plus 3 others, including a couple of Canon's and one other Epson plugged in.  Next year I'll have a 5th Epson 3880 with all Jon Cone's black inks for B&W and maybe by then Mike will come up with some other B&W printer software or maybe a B&W Tab at the top of QU 2014 for that stuff since the "Linearzation" thread below went from 1200 reads to almost 1600 now?  (wink. wink. nudge. nudge. because "QTR Rip" ain't cutting the Windows cake no more and seems to have gone off into Apple/Mac land and with sundry bugs there too.).

However, it's definitely some line coding bug as it is too random with what it does and how many other ICM profiles it burps up.  The "Resize the lines to fit that window" might be a fix as mentioned.  Does it on my old Windows XP machine too, but the Windows 8-64 hits the jackpot with many selections at times and in different colors as posted above.  Doesn't seem to do it with partials shown in the View pane nor the Browser one on the left side, just the ICM profile selection pane is wonky (Who scrolls if it can be readily seen?).

Issues & Comments can now be closed... 


Mack

Good idea!  And probably how it should work.

I think this would be great bit of code for a shopping site.  Pick one "partially shown" item, and you get a half dozen other things tossed in the shopping cart too!  Go Amazon!!   

Odd why it adds a random number of profiles to that partial line.  Sometimes 3, and as many as 8.  Weird stuff. 


Mack

If you are using 3rd party inks in your 3800 there is a chance that the coloration of the ink dyes are different.  I went through that stuff with the 3880 with burple shadows (Search on here for that.).  Someone suggested squeezing a drop of the Matte Black ink into some water (Like you are using.) and see what color it actually is.  Chances are is is some purple color.  I switched ink tanks in a Canon 9000 II as well as the 3880 I have and had a bad shift there too.

Actually, my stuff goes from a yellow to a bluish/purple tint on a 21-step B&W gray scale using the three grades of black (Either Matte Black or Photo Black is selected as the third darker black depending on paper selected.).  Some papers bluish optical brighteners mess up final results too.  I started out with Spyder 3, Profile Prism (Don't trust my HP scanner at all for color!), then a "ColorMunki Photo" (I wanted hard RGB numbers and wasn't trusting my eyes, and the "CM Photo" is sort of fun to use too.).  Later found some paper's OB to have an issue with it, so I sprang for the "i1 Photo Pro 2" unit which negates that problem with UV.

However, you can alter it with a "Curves filter" in Qimage Ulitmate.  I did some work and set up a curve that neutralizes the color casts, just you need to stay in the Color and not Advanced B&W of the Epson Driver window to pull it off.  Most of it is under this link here on "Linearization": http://ddisoftware.com/tech/qimage-ultimate/qtr-linearisation-data-translated-to-a-qimage-print-filter/msg14772/#msg14772

It takes some time to dig through it all, but you can zero out the color casts and clean up the shadow detail and tonal range too. You can even tailor it too got sepia or selenium if you try.  Qimage, imho, has far better sharpening than I got using the QTR RIP software which seems to have failed there.  The QTR forum now has the Mac guys having issues with the software and errors in OS 10.7+.  The Windows GUI coder guy jumped ship it seems as the Windows one was written back for OS prior to Windows 7.  It's old and not much the author, Ray Harrington, can do about it for Windows.).

Good luck!


Mack

And Access is not Qimage!!   

Actually, it is interesting that I can click on a partial image cut in half with a bunch of pictures in the View pane (lower left) and it doesn't open 4-5 images.

Then I can also click on a file or folder in the upper folder Browser pane as well and it doesn't open a bunch under it either.  Plus, those in that Browser pane don't seem to do "partial lines" as does the ICM selection window either.

So two out of three in QU work well and correctly, just that one ICM profile selection one is seriously messed up with a "partial line" issue.  If the window was re-sizable it might work better and fix the partial line matter, or just fix it so partial lines are seen one line at a time as in the Browser pane.

Sorry, but my program teacher says it's a BUG.  Access is a drag-and-dropper multi-select program and an ICM profile selection pane shouldn't be multi-picker and work more like a spreadsheet box selection. 

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Wow!  Just did a scroll-and-click and it lit up some above as well as under.  I hit a jackpot!  And in different colors too?  See screenshot. 

Definitely a bug. 

Oh well.  Live and click twice I guess.


Mack

Okay.  I disagree! 

If I do the same on a spreadsheet by clicking the lower and partially obscured box, it doesn't open 4-5 boxes underneath or aorund it for data as well.  Only get THAT box.

Only reason being is with x-rite i1 Photo Pro 2, when it writes an additional profile as when you add a optical brightener re-calibration profile, it puts and extension on it like Epson Glossy.icm and another called Epson Glossy_obt.icm which is the optical brightener correction file and it is always the partial icm profile showing in that window.  Then if I click it, I get 4-5 others along with it.  Scrolling around for a partial window that doesn't pull up others shouldn't exist, or should clicking on a partial cause a bunch of others to called up.

Spreadsheet boxes don't do that!  Try it with "Open Office" spreadsheet as I use it a lot to write linearization files to use in Qimage. 

I'm cranky as my shoot today didn't work out well at all, so I open a lot of "One-click and multiple blue ICM boxes" in Qimage to make me even more annoyed!   


Mack

This multi-row ICM picking bug is still present in v2014.119.

With a print in the right pane, select a new Printer Profile ICC > Choose new profile > Browse for ICC profile.

Pick a new profile near the bottom of the selection box window (Which isn't re-sizeable by dragging the pane down so the last line is a partial line shown one here, maybe only 80% of that line is shown.).  Click on that bottom profile line and it selects 4-5 profiles (they all become blue) beneath it rather than one line.  It stops after 4-5 profiles getting picked and leaves the remaining lines/profiles black as it should.

 

Mack

Spiders work for less.


Mack

This fix will appear in v2014.119 then? 

I thought it might have something to do with the Instaview thing and its loading bar.  But yeah, quick-clicking and dragging fast seems to make it worse.

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Aside, here's another niggle I found.

Once you have a print in the right pane, select a new Printer Profile ICC > Choose new profile > Browse for ICC profile.

Pick a new profile near the bottom of the selection box window (Which isn't resizeable by dragging the pane down so the last line is a partial line shown one here, maybe 80% of that line is shown.).  If I select it on mine, it selects 4-5 profiles (they all become blue) beneath it if I select the bottom one as it is close to the bottom rather than one complete line.


Mack

Mack

I'll try it that way by hitting the + button on the image.  Never tried it that way before as I'm too used to dragging-and-dropping stuff.


Mack

I have noticed this odd behavior of late.

Example:

I have 4 images in the lower left View window.  I pick one and drag it over to the right Print window, and sometimes the one I was dragging ends up being some other one in Viewer pane that gets placed into the Print pane - not the one I initially dragged.  Like it let go once I crossed the others, picked another one in there, and moved it into Print pane instead?

No big deal as I can try again a few times and it will get there eventually (if another doesn't get picked up in the interim), or if I drag it "under" and not "through the others" it will get placed into the right Print pane.

I tried a second mouse thinking maybe the mouse was releasing and re-fetching the selected one for another image during the drag, but it works the same with either one. 


Mack