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Fred A
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 12:19:53 PM »

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What put me off third party ink was the thought that it might/would need different profiles. With PP it will be, as you say, Easy Peasy!

Two comments!
1) I print a lot!   I use a good quality 3rd party ink using replacement cartridges. (Not the cheapest)
It is exactly a year that I have been using this ink, and have reordered at least 5 times.
Each reorder had me wondering if I was going to get the same colors exactly?
So I made new profiles from the new ink order. Cannot see a difference between the prints from the original order and the current order.  That's GOOD!
I even compared the test prints to ones I made using the commercial profile (from Epson). So close that you are hard pressed to see any difference in color from Epson ink to the replacement.

2) When I commented that Profile Prism profiles produced a better print than the commercially downloaded profile, it occurred to me that the reason might be due to the profile I just made being absolutely tuned  for my individual printer (since it printed the target) as opposed to a commercially made profile which is for the overall printer model.

Another reason to enjoy making your custom profiles.

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 12:02:10 PM »

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What put me off third party ink was the thought that it might/would need different profiles. With PP it will be, as you say, Easy Peasy!
2) When I commented that Profile Prism profiles produced a better print than the commercially downloaded profile, it occurred to me that the reason might be due to the profile I just made being absolutely tuned  for my individual printer (since it printed the target) as opposed to a commercially made profile which is for the overall printer model.

Another reason to enjoy making your custom profiles.

Fred

Funny you should make this point today. Or was it yesterday?

Some time ago I acquired (I did not buy) a box of test papers.

I recently did test prints on 5 of the 'quality' specialist sheets.

Each print had a different colour rendering!!

I went to a trade show yesterday and presented the paper supplier with the 5 prints and asked was it normal for such differences.  (I will not name here the supplier).

What print profiles did you use? A. The ones supplied by you, off the net?  A.yes  To get good prints you have to print test charts on your printer and send to us to create a custom profile. (The service is free for their papers)

How do I do that when only one sheet of each paper was supplied in the pack.  A. a blank look.

Checking their site today I see packs of two sheets each type are £12 + PP So in reality you have to buy two packs of test papers to do one test of each paper (two of the colour test chart and two for the print, and only make one mistake). Rather expensive if you want to check 5 papers.

I also checked screen brightness with the Screen suppliers and the Munki people.

Screen suppliers stand had no ideas.  But Munki people confirmed what I had already concluded.  The Munki is not much good at measuring the ambient light AND you have to select a Brightness value before the Munki does is business.  The munki measures this brightness and then you fine tune the brightness using the screen brightness control.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 12:36:05 PM »

Hi Jeff,
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The Munki is not much good at measuring the ambient ligh
My Eye One Display is similar; I never use the ambient light feature as it's a variable. I check prints with an Ott Lite. After calibration, I do switch back on auto brightness on my monitor and this seems to compensate quite well.
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AND you have to select a Brightness value before the Munki does is business.  The munki measures this brightness and then you fine tune the brightness using the screen brightness control.
This normal with any decent monitor  calibration software in "advanced" mode. Mine recommends 120cd/Msq for an LCD monitor but I find 125cd/Msq gives the best match with a print. Using the number means you know where you are/were if tweaks are needed to print match.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 12:50:11 PM »

Hi Jeff,
 After calibration, I do switch back on auto brightness on my monitor and this seems to compensate quite well.

Interesting. I never touch any of the controls on my monitor after doing a Munki run. I have always worried that they might alter the settings the Munki has chosen.

On the other hand my printing PC is in a studio where the ambient light never changes. I let the Munki measure it when making another scan but then detach the sensor so it is not tempted to keep remeasuring the (constant) ambient and simply add clutter to my work surface!

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 09:05:18 AM »

Hi Jeff,
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This normal with any decent monitor  calibration software in "advanced" mode. Mine recommends 120cd/Msq for an LCD monitor but I find 125cd/Msq gives the best match with a print. Using the number means you know where you are/were if tweaks are needed to print match.
Terry

You must appreciate in Grumpy mode I am a bit thick, 120cd/Msq, what is that? Probably not  applicable to my monitor - Eizo S2110

On my old XP computer not used for image processing, the brightness is showing 100%

On munki calibrated Win 7 computer it is showing 3% ie the Munki adjustment applied to my 80% manual adjustment of the default 120%.

Jeff

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 09:42:18 AM »

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120cd/Msq, what is that? Probably not  applicable to my monitor - Eizo S2110
120 candles per square meter = "Luminance".
It applies to all monitors (I have an Eizo too) and, providing your calibration software allows it, is set as part of the calibration process using the monitor brightness adjustment.The sequence is;
Set all calibration target values, white point, gamma, luminance
Set contrast (leave at native value)
Set RGB gain values to get White point: 6500K - this is not essential as the corrections needed will be loaded into the Graphics card LUT - it just minimises the amount of correction.
Set luminance
Calibrate to make profile
This full sequence is in the "advanced" mode of the Eye One Display software, which is probably similar to Munki.
Terry
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