Bathosfear
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« on: June 02, 2023, 03:36:02 PM » |
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Sorry if I break ettiquette, I'm new.
I've had my Canon PRO-1000 for a week or so, so that's probably the explanation right there. But I'm trying to print greeting cards on 6.25x9 RR stock. I didn't like the look of the .25" borders, so I found if I print my image upside-down I can get .125" borders on 3 sides, the 4th doesn't matter as it is blank white.
However, this works in preview, but whenever I actually print the borders are randomly uneven. I even tried making the borders in Photoshop and printing borderless, still a little more on one side or another, sometimes even the bottom border is crooked.
My first inclination would be that it's a paper feed issue, I'm not doing something there correctly. But I've burned through many sheets trying different ways of putting in the paper (one at a time, stacked, paper first then close sides, close sides first, then paper, etc.). Nothing seems to help.
Is it simply incapable of being accurate enough with .125" borders?
TIA for any help.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2023, 03:53:27 PM » |
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Attached are the margins for a Pro-1000 using 6.25 x 9 inch custom size paper. As you can see, only the top edge allows .125 margin. The other three sides (especially the bottom) cannot be that small.
As long as you are in IntelliCenter placement mode in Qimage and you don't fill the entire page, Qimage will have enough room to center the print. You can go into the full page editor and see the margins on all 4 sides. If they are even but it doesn't print even, there are only two possibilities: (1) your paper isn't quite the size you think it is (measure it) or (2) the printer didn't load the paper straight. Whenever it is crooked on the page, you know it is a paper feed problem!
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Mike
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Bathosfear
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2023, 01:47:00 AM » |
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Thanks for the prompt reply. I guess I'll just have to get better at loading, somehow. I suspected that was the answer, but hoped it wasn't.
But you did remind me of a related question: if a printer can do borderless, and even slightly less-cropped borderless, why can't it do any border up to the borderless point? It jumps from .13 or so to zero (or some minus border dimension), but can't do anything in-between? If I figure out my loading problem, is my printing premade borders in borderless mode a workable hack?
Or is my printing white borders on borderless setting still as problematic as any borderless printing?
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2023, 11:28:52 AM » |
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The printer prints in a slightly compromised mode when printing borderless, where it prints a bit slower and with reduced quality at the edges. That's part of the reason there is no "partial" or "half" borderless. You either print in the no compromises mode or the compromised mode. Plus printing borderless opens you up to a host of new problems. Watch this video to know what you are getting into before doing borderless: https://youtu.be/15G1AWZTVwoRegards, Mike |
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Roy Sletcher
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2023, 01:09:41 AM » |
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Sorry if I break ettiquette, I'm new.
I've had my Canon PRO-1000 for a week or so, so that's probably the explanation right there. But I'm trying to print greeting cards on 6.25x9 RR stock. I didn't like the look of the .25" borders, so I found if I print my image upside-down I can get .125" borders on 3 sides, the 4th doesn't matter as it is blank white.
However, this works in preview, but whenever I actually print the borders are randomly uneven. I even tried making the borders in Photoshop and printing borderless, still a little more on one side or another, sometimes even the bottom border is crooked.
My first inclination would be that it's a paper feed issue, I'm not doing something there correctly. But I've burned through many sheets trying different ways of putting in the paper (one at a time, stacked, paper first then close sides, close sides first, then paper, etc.). Nothing seems to help.
Is it simply incapable of being accurate enough with .125" borders?
TIA for any help.
Is this Topic still open for discussion? I have been printing cards 7x10 folding to 5x7 for several years on my Canon Pro 100, and occasionally on my Pro 1000. Several hundred per year. I have just tested 6¼x9 flat folding to 6¼x4½. With 1/8" white border. - See attached JPG for proof of concept. Variation in the margin size is very small. Almost imperceptible, and with consistent feed on the Pro 1000. The procedure I am using will permit some fine-tuning of the adjustment for margin size. If this is of interest to anyone, I will document the procedure with screenshots of the settings. The settings can be saved in Qimage U for easy retrieval. I don't want to go to the trouble of documentation unless there is genuine interest. Roy Sletcher |
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Tim Newton
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2023, 10:44:38 PM » |
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Hi Roy!
If you would be so kind, I would be interested in seeing an outline of your settings & printing procedure to get consistent repeated formatting results across multiple sessions.
A difficulty I continually face with QU is that jobs and settings mysteriously go askew between sessions. I'll have to fiddle around with a job, trying to get it set back to how I want it, and then re-save the job. Some time later I will re-load the same job and as often as not, some random thing will be different in the layout. All that to say that I will look for clues in your description that will educate me on some 'feature' I am overlooking which ensures exactly replicating a job per the last time I saved it.
Thank you!
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2023, 02:18:14 AM » |
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Hi Roy!
If you would be so kind, I would be interested in seeing an outline of your settings & printing procedure to get consistent repeated formatting results across multiple sessions.
A difficulty I continually face with QU is that jobs and settings mysteriously go askew between sessions. I'll have to fiddle around with a job, trying to get it set back to how I want it, and then re-save the job. Some time later I will re-load the same job and as often as not, some random thing will be different in the layout. All that to say that I will look for clues in your description that will educate me on some 'feature' I am overlooking which ensures exactly replicating a job per the last time I saved it.
Thank you!
You realize it isn't the job that is changing? When you open a job and reprint it, the exact same data goes to the printer, bit-by-bit. If there's a difference, it is the printer, paper, a different driver, etc. Mike |
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Tim Newton
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2023, 05:05:49 AM » |
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Oh, hey Mike!
No, I'm not even talking about getting to the printing part. Rather, I will open a job which was formatted just how I wanted it when I saved it, but upon re-opening it is now upside down, or it has switched layout modes from Intellicenter to Freehand, or changed the Left & Top print position values, or things like that. I don't expect the job to print exactly the same as before when formatting is altered.
But beyond exactly repeating a prior print, what I am trying to do is use the 'job' construct to encapsulate everything I want to apply to a particular print size/format on a particular paper type. For example, I have a job named...
[1x 12.06x18.06 on 13x19 rrpm 60lbs land.job]
This job is to print a single image (1x) having dimensions 12.06x18.06 inches on 13x19 inch paper type Red River Polar Mat having a weight of 60 lbs in landscape orientation. So when I want to make such a print, I will re-load that job and just replace the stored image with the one I want to print. But often immediately upon opening the job, I find its formatting is not exactly how I saved it. So I first have to figure out what has gone awry and fix it before I can replace the image and print. At that point, of course, I will re-save the job, hoping that this time all my settings will be retained intact, but for reasons I can't determine it often doesn't work for me.
Maybe my approach is all wrong. I don't understand why it shouldn't work, but is there a better way, perhaps, to accomplish what I'm aiming for?
Thank you!
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2023, 02:28:52 PM » |
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I've never had anyone report an issue even similar to that. When you open a job, it is identical in every way to the way you saved it. That includes print positioning, placement mode, driver settings, profile, and every possible setting available. You would have to produce a video screen capture of what you are doing to see what the possibilities are if you are seeing a job open with any difference at all to how it was saved.
There is one thing that can affect (old) jobs and that is Driver AI. If you are opening a job that has invalid driver settings, for example, the old job was saved with scaling turned on in the driver... when you open that job, Driver AI (if it is turned on) will correct the error and turn off scaling in the driver which can cause the page formatting to change. Other than that one instance where you are opening old/bad jobs that the new version will correct, jobs will always open identical to how they were saved.
Regards,
Mike
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MelW
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2023, 04:16:08 PM » |
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I can think of one other way this could happen: - You have changed, moved or deleted one of the photos that the job references, or
You have changed the filter (especially if the filter includes a crop) associated with one of the photos that the job references
Other than that, I have recalled jobs even ten years old and they come up exactly as they were. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2023, 07:29:22 PM » |
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Thanks Mel. I forgot about that one. You are right: if the images (mainly the aspect ratio or crop) changed since the job was saved, it could cause the layout to change since the size of the print(s) might change with the new crop.
Mike
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