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Author Topic: Easiest way to print variable sets of small prints?  (Read 10998 times)
horstenj
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« on: October 09, 2010, 07:46:54 AM »

dear all,

I'm a new user of Qimage Ultimate and trying to find my way through it. Hope you can help.

I'm printing on an Epson 4800 with roll paper. I want to combine sets of small prints in one print job, add crop marks and later cut out the individual prints (eventually with a cutting plotter). Number and size of the prints will vary from job to job. Also within a job, sizes may be mixed. Of course, paper needs to be used optimally so page size varies per print job.

By and large I can do this (using optimal print placement), but I face the following issues in my current workflow:
  • paper size: The only way I can find to adapt the paper size is for every job to set it manually all the way into the printer driver. Ideally, I would let Qimage adjust the paper length automatically. Second best would be to have an easily accessible option, e.g. in the "Edit Page" menu.
  • print spacing: As the crop marks need to be visible, I need a small spacing between the prints. "optimal print placing" leaves no space. "Optimal/spaced print placing" uses the length of the page, which in combination with the previous issue is not really optimal. Putting border around the prints does not work, as the crop marks are then placed on the edge of the border and not on the edge of the print.
  • optimal spacing algorithm: the spacing is somewhat optimal, but it looks like Qimage forces the sequence of the print to remain intact, resulting in a sub-optimal placing. Manual re-placing is often needed.
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Do I miss something? Are there alternative workflows for what I want? For reference, I have been looking to Imagenest, that seems to do exactly what I want, but that's on Apple only and I'd rather stick to PC.



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Joost





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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 10:05:59 AM »

Hi Joost,

I think if you are using a plotter cutter, you will not need crop marks. Before then, you may find that if you set the image border colour to be a contrasting colour, you can dispense with the crop marks if cutting at the image edge. If you want a white border and crop marks, you know how to do that.

wrt roll paper sizing, I think I would set it in the driver to a long length, arrange images, then go back to driver and set the length determined by qi.

optimal? optimal for who or what? There are numerous variations that could be implemented. I would guess the method in qi suits most requirements.

hth

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 01:01:00 PM »


wrt roll paper sizing, I think I would set it in the driver to a long length, arrange images, then go back to driver and set the length determined by qi.

Ray,

I think the point Joost is trying to get across which is one I come across using my HP Designjet 130 is if you set the page length long then use optimal spaced then Qimage fills the page negating the effect of the trim unsed paper setting in the driver as the gaps between the images expand to fill the page.

I would like to be able to load a selection of images with borders then for example specify a 10mm gap between images+borders then print optimally spaced this would mean I could set the paper length long then the driver would handle the top and bottom white space with the remove top/bottom blank areas of the driver. Perhaps a preference setting for the optimally spaced setting this could then also include Joost's other request re sorting.

Could we therefore have an optimally spaced setting with user definable gaps and the option to retain or discard sorting for roll fed printers. I am assuming in this that other large format roll fed printers can remove top and bottom unused space from prints.

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Mark
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 02:47:59 PM »

Why not use optimal (instead of optimal/spaced) and use a 10mm border?  That way Qimage will cluster all prints together, spacing them with the border you want.

Page length is a required parameter by the printer driver.  You can't have an open ended paper length.  The driver won't allow it and quite frankly, I'm not sure how you would even show (on a preview) a page that has no length anyway.  Just set the length to the largest size you think you'll use and then use optimal placement with whatever border size you like.  The prints will be spaced by the border you choose.  If you're using an Epson printer, your job becomes even easier because you can specify a long length and then just use the "save roll paper" option: that will cut the paper below the last print on the page regardless of the defined length.

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 03:46:52 PM »

I have the same option in my Canon ipf6300. Really works slick. I just make a custom size like 24x60. Add various prints and check the save paper check box. Really works nice.

Mike
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 08:04:11 PM »

Why not use optimal (instead of optimal/spaced) and use a 10mm border?  That way Qimage will cluster all prints together, spacing them with the border you want.

Unless I miss something, the corp marks mark the outer corners of the border, not those of the image.  Is there a way to adjust that?

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If you're using an Epson printer, your job becomes even easier because you can specify a long length and then just use the "save roll paper" option: that will cut the paper below the last print on the page regardless of the defined length.

Ah... I missed that one! I'll definitely give it try...'

Joost
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 11:34:49 PM »

Hi Joost,

Maybe the canvas fold marks will do what you want. They put the marks inside the border.

Best wishes,

Ray
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 08:08:52 AM »



 If you're using an Epson printer, your job becomes even easier because you can specify a long length and then just use the "save roll paper" option: that will cut the paper below the last print on the page regardless of the defined length.

Ah... I missed that one! I'll definitely give it try...'

Indeed this works as I hoped. Noted that this requires to set the driver in roll-banner mode and not just in the normal roll mode.

Thanks,

Joost

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 08:16:33 AM »

Hi Joost,

Maybe the canvas fold marks will do what you want. They put the marks inside the border.


Thanks Ray. I tried it, but I'm afraid these fold marks don't do the trick. They do not really resemble the crop marks needed for cutting plotters. I still think the best approach would to have option to contol the nesting space between images (which is now zero when choosing "optimal print placing" or non-controlled when choosing "optimal/spaced print placing". Mike, would this be feature you could consider?

An alternative could be to have the option to place the crop marks within the border. But there would be several drawbacks to that.

Joost   
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 03:25:54 PM »

I still think the best approach would to have option to contol the nesting space between images (which is now zero when choosing "optimal print placing" or non-controlled when choosing "optimal/spaced print placing". Mike, would this be feature you could consider?

I just tried the following, which might be a workaround for you.

1.  Switch Qimage to metric units.
2.  Select optimal print placement.
3.  Set your print size(s) and specify a B+ white border of .1 mm.

When I print out the result, the images are tightly nested on the page with a tiny white hairline between them.  My trial print was with all images the same size.  You of course will not get the same tight nesting of images over the entire page if image sizes are mixed
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